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Cannot for the life on me understand what marketing the airport actually do but yet they get award after award and certainly market their achievements. They really need to go after the 35-120 seater aircraft market for feeder service into hubs. You never see marketing of the airport or destinations north of Gort and its one area they should be targeting with the Tuam bypass open. As for marketing abroad they are non existent except for the token mention through the Government bodies at exhibitions. Dublin is being promoted from these bodies and in fairness not on purpose but because they push DUBLIN as a gateway hub where you can fly to any where within Europe and the Middle East.
They really need to stop attending these “routes” seminars where they promote themselves along with the other 000’s of airlines. Better to actually spend the funds on marketing the properties & attractions within their own portfolio and work with the Western seaboard accommodation types such as Dromoland, Ashford, Adare, cottage rental etc. Why not have a “promo” with your gateway to the Ring of Kerry etc. Lough Derg with the boat rentals and fishing would appeal particularly to most Europeans. The airport management need to rid themselves of the civil service mentality and think outside the box.
The management seem to still have the “existing” fear of not trying to upset Ryanair or Aer Lingus.
Unless I’m mistaken it’s very difficult to see what routes and destinations are available on the new website so if someone for say in the US was planning to visit IRELAND and base themselves in an area with the idea of availing of “reasonably” priced flights to areas in Europe it would certainly rule Shannon out. As for the new website where are the pictured links to all of the attractions that the airport authority get the funds from ie Cliffs of Moher, Bunratty Castle etc.
We should have as a minimum flights on Fridays and Tuesdays to each of these hubs on a year round basis and not served with Aer Lingus or Ryanair but with the main players to offer connecting options as well as the weekend city breaks.
Amsterdam AMS
Paris CDG
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Brexit ready they are not. Love supporting my local airport but 90% of the time I’ve to take the motorway to DUBLIN not because of point to point route availability but due to lack of connectivity from Shannon. Aer Lingus for the most part into HEATHROW means a long connection time between flights due to earlier departures from HEATHROW by other carriers. A 6am from Shannon to HEATHROW would be ideal but can never see it happening due to other reasons.
Rant over!,
They really need to stop attending these “routes” seminars where they promote themselves along with the other 000’s of airlines. Better to actually spend the funds on marketing the properties & attractions within their own portfolio and work with the Western seaboard accommodation types such as Dromoland, Ashford, Adare, cottage rental etc. Why not have a “promo” with your gateway to the Ring of Kerry etc. Lough Derg with the boat rentals and fishing would appeal particularly to most Europeans. The airport management need to rid themselves of the civil service mentality and think outside the box.
The management seem to still have the “existing” fear of not trying to upset Ryanair or Aer Lingus.
Unless I’m mistaken it’s very difficult to see what routes and destinations are available on the new website so if someone for say in the US was planning to visit IRELAND and base themselves in an area with the idea of availing of “reasonably” priced flights to areas in Europe it would certainly rule Shannon out. As for the new website where are the pictured links to all of the attractions that the airport authority get the funds from ie Cliffs of Moher, Bunratty Castle etc.
We should have as a minimum flights on Fridays and Tuesdays to each of these hubs on a year round basis and not served with Aer Lingus or Ryanair but with the main players to offer connecting options as well as the weekend city breaks.
Amsterdam AMS
Paris CDG
Frankfurt FRA
Brexit ready they are not. Love supporting my local airport but 90% of the time I’ve to take the motorway to DUBLIN not because of point to point route availability but due to lack of connectivity from Shannon. Aer Lingus for the most part into HEATHROW means a long connection time between flights due to earlier departures from HEATHROW by other carriers. A 6am from Shannon to HEATHROW would be ideal but can never see it happening due to other reasons.
Rant over!,
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Disappointing news about Kuwait, anyone know the actual pax numbers on these flights and the annual impact?
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Shannon hasn't a great future unless it's VERY heavily subsidized
Aircraft ranges increase all the time and even places like SIN can now be bypassed on the London - Australia route
It has a very limited local market - so it's future is possibly more like Inverness - ie inbound tourism plus a role as a ferry base for the short-legged aircraft. I doubt anyone would set up a big training base or a maintenance facility
Aircraft ranges increase all the time and even places like SIN can now be bypassed on the London - Australia route
It has a very limited local market - so it's future is possibly more like Inverness - ie inbound tourism plus a role as a ferry base for the short-legged aircraft. I doubt anyone would set up a big training base or a maintenance facility
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Shannon hasn't a great future unless it's VERY heavily subsidized
Aircraft ranges increase all the time and even places like SIN can now be bypassed on the London - Australia route
It has a very limited local market - so it's future is possibly more like Inverness - ie inbound tourism plus a role as a ferry base for the short-legged aircraft. I doubt anyone would set up a big training base or a maintenance facility
Aircraft ranges increase all the time and even places like SIN can now be bypassed on the London - Australia route
It has a very limited local market - so it's future is possibly more like Inverness - ie inbound tourism plus a role as a ferry base for the short-legged aircraft. I doubt anyone would set up a big training base or a maintenance facility
It already has very large maintenance facilities, if anything I’d say this is one of the few areas they do have the potential to grow successfully.
When the new runway at DUB opens, even it’s neccessity as an emergency alternate for the NAT will diminish. Many airlines already divert to DUB for emergencies for operational reasons.
Suspect maintenance - like most other things - will move East with time
I guess you could set up a hub & spoke distribution service for parcels tho'.......... weather is pretty good in general and there is a lot of space - and Ireland is pretty famous for it's "flexible" attitude to taxing Multinationals - especially US one's.......
I guess you could set up a hub & spoke distribution service for parcels tho'.......... weather is pretty good in general and there is a lot of space - and Ireland is pretty famous for it's "flexible" attitude to taxing Multinationals - especially US one's.......
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Expectations need to be realistic as regards Shannon traffic. Everybody wants the airport to grow but I think the current traffic is quite respectable for what is essentially a regional airport, and given its size it has a good proportion of TA flights.
Ryanair had a huge programme at a point in time, and they didn't bring the prize of inbound tourism and cut the base right back, it just didn't meet their requirements financially. Realistically it is only Ryanair who can bring the scale that posters on this forum might expect.
The airport is very seasonal and relies on strong American in bound tourism. So much so almost all the TA flying gets suspended in the low Winter across early Q1..
The future has to be about maintaining the current network, growing other income streams and bring small incremental flying ...EI-BUD.
Ryanair had a huge programme at a point in time, and they didn't bring the prize of inbound tourism and cut the base right back, it just didn't meet their requirements financially. Realistically it is only Ryanair who can bring the scale that posters on this forum might expect.
The airport is very seasonal and relies on strong American in bound tourism. So much so almost all the TA flying gets suspended in the low Winter across early Q1..
The future has to be about maintaining the current network, growing other income streams and bring small incremental flying ...EI-BUD.
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A321 NEO LR
It seems Aer Lingus has plans to operate SNN to LHR A321 NEO LR flights three mornings a week from the middle of March. Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Any word on what the plan is with the A320 that will not operate that route on those days? Are they going to tackle a UK or near European route in the morning? I can’t imagine they’ll let it sit on the ground doing nothing.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...-mid-mar-2020/
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...-mid-mar-2020/
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Interesting about the A321-LR.
Looking ahead to Summer 2020 there will be 2 Aer Lingus A321-LR based at Shannon.
1 for the daily JFK route, 1 for the Boston route.
It appears that 1 of those will also do a cheeky SNN-LHR-SNN in the mornings, every morning in Summer 2020.
The other will have room to do a short morning rotation too, in theory...
Meanwhile the A320 which usually does 3 SNN-LHR-SNN per day, will now start it's day at 12:25pm, which is indeed not very efficient.
Malaga seems to be operated by a Dublin based aircraft on a W routing.
Looking ahead to Summer 2020 there will be 2 Aer Lingus A321-LR based at Shannon.
1 for the daily JFK route, 1 for the Boston route.
It appears that 1 of those will also do a cheeky SNN-LHR-SNN in the mornings, every morning in Summer 2020.
The other will have room to do a short morning rotation too, in theory...
Meanwhile the A320 which usually does 3 SNN-LHR-SNN per day, will now start it's day at 12:25pm, which is indeed not very efficient.
Malaga seems to be operated by a Dublin based aircraft on a W routing.
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Word around the airport is that someone indeed is seeing the potential in the <130 seater market for snn. Apparently something called aer lingus express is on the cards! Passengers arriving from the US (prob on a 321LR) can connect from snn to wherever..... Really hope this is true much needed capacity for the west!
Anyone hear anything more?
Anyone hear anything more?
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Two A321LRs would fill three 130-seaters leaving Shannon and that’s assuming everyone connected. But then what do those aircraft do after their first run? I think you need far more transatlantic flights to start feeding a small network, so unless other airlines come in numbers are awkward. It just seems to need a big ramp up in scale to work.
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If they do send the A320 to Europe before LHR it will be an early start. the current block times are 2:40 and 2:45 respectively. There is currently a 50 minute turnaround at FAO, for example, but that could be a little shorter.
SNN 0600 FAO 0840
FAO 0920 SNN 1205
Its not impossible, but its very tight. Its entirely possible that EI may be able to shuffle slots around and get a later departure from SNN. Nothing from ORK, DUB or BHD really fits the bill, good job IAG have a lot of slots, if needs be. The alternative is that EI think enough people will want to fly from SNN to FAO at 0540, or they plan somewhere like AMS or CDG with shorter flight times.
SNN 0600 FAO 0840
FAO 0920 SNN 1205
Its not impossible, but its very tight. Its entirely possible that EI may be able to shuffle slots around and get a later departure from SNN. Nothing from ORK, DUB or BHD really fits the bill, good job IAG have a lot of slots, if needs be. The alternative is that EI think enough people will want to fly from SNN to FAO at 0540, or they plan somewhere like AMS or CDG with shorter flight times.
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CDG could work 3x weekly in summer off point to point. AMS would be too dependent on connections and IAG won’t want to feed those.
Pre-clearance is clearly an advantage over other airports, but trying to be a transatlantic hub is a competitive business. The only airport with as small a hinterland that is trying is Reykjavík, but they have strong inbound tourism to Iceland.
Pre-clearance is clearly an advantage over other airports, but trying to be a transatlantic hub is a competitive business. The only airport with as small a hinterland that is trying is Reykjavík, but they have strong inbound tourism to Iceland.
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They will only use A321LR not two. CDG 3 weekly was tried before and failed. 2020 schedules released are just the same as 2019 for now so don't read much into that. I have a feeling extra FAO might operate daily instead of x4 weekly.
