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Good analysis and shows that both airports can sustain similar services and Galway aside serve largely different catchment areas - interesting to see if ORK-BRS been impacted by the new SNN service
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Expectations for the coming winter season is actually some growth, but rather minor. Expect an average of 1%.
These are the quiet months, while the summer services are in full swing announcements and tumours disappear. Nice to see the airport busy however.
These are the quiet months, while the summer services are in full swing announcements and tumours disappear. Nice to see the airport busy however.
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I don't know if SNN-BRS will have had much of an impact on ORK-BRS.
It's now easier to get to DUB from Cork or Limerick than it is to get to SNN or ORK respectively considering the frequency of bus services and the much better roads to Dublin (and especially because there's no easy way to bypass Cork on the way from Limerick to Cork Airport).
Catchment competition between the two airports is largely confined to North Cork and Kerry nowadays.
From 2016 to 2017, there was growth of 27K passengers on DUB-BRS, so it won't be possible to tell any impact from SNN-BRS from general slowdown on UK growth in Dublin. The numbers will just get lost.
It's now easier to get to DUB from Cork or Limerick than it is to get to SNN or ORK respectively considering the frequency of bus services and the much better roads to Dublin (and especially because there's no easy way to bypass Cork on the way from Limerick to Cork Airport).
Catchment competition between the two airports is largely confined to North Cork and Kerry nowadays.
From 2016 to 2017, there was growth of 27K passengers on DUB-BRS, so it won't be possible to tell any impact from SNN-BRS from general slowdown on UK growth in Dublin. The numbers will just get lost.
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If those load factors don’t improve dramatically on Bristol and Liverpool they certainly won’t last long - think Bristol is sustainable but Liverpool was always a challenge given capacity on Manchester and a well established service up the road in Knock - probably shows why they haven’t extended them for winter
Think the biggest problem with Liverpool is the timings. No use to most people. Who wants to get there at 23.20 on a Saturday evening and come home Monday or Wednesday,
Makes no sense. You might do it with the same times on a Friday
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Agree totally the traffic in knock from my limited use of the service during winter was heavily football based as timings are good on both Friday and Saturday - the Shannon timing won’t cater for little if any football traffic between August and October
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Provisional CAA stats for June are out
2017 2018 %
London LHR - 24,206 24,162 0
London STN - -------- ------- - (provisional)
London LGW - --------- -------- - (provisional)
Manchester - 5,839 6,983 +20
Birmingham - 3,281 3,008 -8
Edinburgh - 2,826 2,888 +2
Bristol - -------- --------- -
Liverpool - ------- 2,273 NEW
LPL was new for June 2018, 26 flights operated with 4,914 seats on offer. This would represent a LF of 46.3%(not surprising given flight times, cant see this route returning next year unless flight times are changed) . MAN was upped to 6x weekly with 9,450 seats for June representing a LF of 73.9%
2017 2018 %
London LHR - 24,206 24,162 0
London STN - -------- ------- - (provisional)
London LGW - --------- -------- - (provisional)
Manchester - 5,839 6,983 +20
Birmingham - 3,281 3,008 -8
Edinburgh - 2,826 2,888 +2
Bristol - -------- --------- -
Liverpool - ------- 2,273 NEW
LPL was new for June 2018, 26 flights operated with 4,914 seats on offer. This would represent a LF of 46.3%(not surprising given flight times, cant see this route returning next year unless flight times are changed) . MAN was upped to 6x weekly with 9,450 seats for June representing a LF of 73.9%
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No. PHL is gauging up to an A330 so two b757 remain in SNN and two remain in DUB. Deliveries of A321NEO LR delayed until July/August when YUL route commences.
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I don't thînk that is a sure thing just yet. The previous W patterns from ORK won't be operated, but its not impossible that an additional A320 may be based at SNN, they will be operated by a wet-lease, or that 757/321LRs may be sent to AGP and FAO between turns.
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