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Old 25th Jul 2019, 21:18
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
Could they play the TSA preclearance card with a mini hub at SNN?
Wouldnít make any sense while thereís spare capacity in DUB
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 21:57
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Two A321LRs would fill three 130-seaters leaving Shannon and thatís assuming everyone connected. But then what do those aircraft do after their first run? I think you need far more transatlantic flights to start feeding a small network, so unless other airlines come in numbers are awkward. It just seems to need a big ramp up in scale to work.
don't discount a BHX or MAN. The connecting traffic to the US both is huge..Neo could do LHR and the 320 one of those...
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 12:33
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD View Post
don't discount a BHX or MAN. The connecting traffic to the US both is huge..Neo could do LHR and the 320 one of those...
Thats true, but there isn't any extra capacity being put into SNN at this stage - the 321 is, bar 4 extra Business Class, a 1-for-1 replacement for the 757. Unless yield and loads are dire and Dublin bursting at the seams I don't see a reason to fly half-empty A320s on flights between SNN and UK/Europe. SNN is based on O&D - any connections are gravy, but without decent yield O&D it will be very tough. Each and every decision is now answerable to Madrid, underperforming routes starve the entire airline of investment, not just SNN. IAG have many other options to place new A320/737s coming on-board. If they can make more money in Vienna with LEVEL on the side, than at Shannon with Aer Lingus thats where they will go. TD's be dammed.
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Old 26th Jul 2019, 14:46
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A remote possibility is - maybe - that for the two busiest feeder routes for TATL flights that operate close to capacity or are clogged up with transfer passengers from/to DUB additional demand could be routed via SNN.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 06:58
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post
Thats true, but there isn't any extra capacity being put into SNN at this stage - the 321 is, bar 4 extra Business Class, a 1-for-1 replacement for the 757. Unless yield and loads are dire and Dublin bursting at the seams I don't see a reason to fly half-empty A320s on flights between SNN and UK/Europe. SNN is based on O&D - any connections are gravy, but without decent yield O&D it will be very tough. Each and every decision is now answerable to Madrid, underperforming routes starve the entire airline of investment, not just SNN. IAG have many other options to place new A320/737s coming on-board. If they can make more money in Vienna with LEVEL on the side, than at Shannon with Aer Lingus thats where they will go. TD's be dammed.
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I'm well aware of the need for any 'potential' new schedule to be commercially viable. Firstly, such a route as BHX currently on many days by ATR can be close to full. Therefore, a need for slightly more capacity. The balance could be connecting.

The volume of passengers crossing the Atlantic is incredible, originating mostly in the US. Therefore if the seats are made available the pax will fly, it doesn't matter if the transit point is SNN DUB or even London. So just as in the case of Dublin as a transit point SNN could support many different routes for connections into EU or GB. Obviously EI are focused on DUB as a hub, but with a spare A320 in the mornings (assuming 321 goes to London) a daily rotation to BHX or even MAN would make sense.

Separately, there is a case for a Paris route on a seasonal basis, but again like any commercial opportunity, there will be other opportunities more attractive.

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Old 27th Jul 2019, 07:34
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post
Thats true, but there isn't any extra capacity being put into SNN at this stage - the 321 is, bar 4 extra Business Class, a 1-for-1 replacement for the 757. Unless yield and loads are dire and Dublin bursting at the seams I don't see a reason to fly half-empty A320s on flights between SNN and UK/Europe. SNN is based on O&D - any connections are gravy, but without decent yield O&D it will be very tough. Each and every decision is now answerable to Madrid, underperforming routes starve the entire airline of investment, not just SNN. IAG have many other options to place new A320/737s coming on-board. If they can make more money in Vienna with LEVEL on the side, than at Shannon with Aer Lingus thats where they will go. TD's be dammed.
do UA b757s not seat 170?
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 08:06
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What about a return of Belfast - BHD SNN JFK? There is demand ex Belfast for the US and this could help winter softness ex SNN.

this could also work with other Uk cities who have lost direct US service, such as BRS and NCL - with the benefit of O&D demand that BFS doesnít have. .

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Old 27th Jul 2019, 11:55
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A FlyBe or Stobart feeder service from Belfast to Shannon to connect to the US flights could work.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 12:37
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Originally Posted by CCR View Post
A FlyBe or Stobart feeder service from Belfast to Shannon to connect to the US flights could work.
I'm think most people from Belfast would rather drive to Dublin and go direct. It's only about 2 hours and there are multiply daily flights to JFK and Boston whereas Shannon is only 1x daily (or 6 weekly?) to Boston/JFK. And of course Dublin has a much wider range of destinations.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 19:15
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Originally Posted by ld0595 View Post
I'm think most people from Belfast would rather drive to Dublin and go direct. It's only about 2 hours and there are multiply daily flights to JFK and Boston whereas Shannon is only 1x daily (or 6 weekly?) to Boston/JFK. And of course Dublin has a much wider range of destinations.
There certainly would be sufficient demand for this, and Shannon withpre clearance would be a compelling prosposition if marketed correctly. However, the issue is that the only airline positioned to do this is Aer Lingus. They have significant feed on BHD LHR and they probably would have far more attractive short haul with better point to point pick up than BHD, so highly unlikely.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 09:13
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD View Post
There certainly would be sufficient demand for this, and Shannon withpre clearance would be a compelling prosposition if marketed correctly. However, the issue is that the only airline positioned to do this is Aer Lingus. They have significant feed on BHD LHR and they probably would have far more attractive short haul with better point to point pick up than BHD, so highly unlikely.
The operation at SNN stands on its own two feet, I think that should be celebrated. Trying to get a dozen low-yield passengers from Belfast or Paris onto SNN-JFK is a folly. With the 321LR, there might be room to squeeze MCO, YYZ or ORD into the schedule and to extend the JFK/BOS to year-round. To me, the idea of a "mini-hub" seems counter-productive. I am presuming that the SNN operation is almost entirely O&D and achieves very good loads. Connecting traffic would offer a low-yield and potentially displace SNN O&D passengers, which would be bad for the region. While a hub sounds attractive, aircraft are easily moved - especially if filling subsidised/low-yield/connecting traffic.In Europe a dual-hub has never worked, even in London - easily the most premium and high-volume market on the continent. BA spent hundreds of millions over decades trying to make a dual Gatwick/Heathrow hub work.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 09:34
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When EI ran the MD11 from BFS via SNN the majority of the passengers I remember only went to SNN for short breaks. But it always left with fwd hold stuffed with PMC's full of cargo bound for the states.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 09:39
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I don't think anyone is advocating a dual hub, but merely some limited feed to TATL from SNN using spare capacity that would otherwise sit idle on the ground instead of earning money (as for your remark on the non-existence of dual hubs, Lufthansa is successfully operating a dual hub. You could also argue that SK has a dual hub at CPH/ARN). It would be particularly useful for capacity management as I suppose that O&D at SNN is much weaker in the winter than in the summer.

Btw, last year when I was looking for flights to the US, I was offered a Star Alliance conncetion via SNN with a Lufthansa flight from FRA and an onward connection on UA. Back then, I was wondering if anyone has ever done that.

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Old 30th Jul 2019, 09:48
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I still donít get what any feeder aircraft are going to do for the rest of the day. Letís say thereís just one and itís just to add a top up for the TA flights. Itís going to have to operate at least 3 sectors a day, but only one will be feeder. So what can viably be done with the extra capacity that is created?
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 15:39
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Norwegian discontinues SNN, ORK, DUB https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Nor...f8391fdf8d9-ds
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 11:19
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Expecting some positive route developments this week at Shannon ...
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 16:25
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From reading other forums CDG & BCN expected to be announced with EI for Summer 2020. It will fill the gap in the mornings for the A320 while one of the A321LR does the morning LHR.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 19:30
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It's even in the media....

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...lona-1.4073539
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 07:58
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Lufthansa Cutting Frankfurt to 1pw

Lufthansa is going from 2pw on SNN Frankfurt to 1pw for next summer. Dropping the Thursday service, which was with an Embraer190 and only operating on Saturdays with the Airbus A319. Tried to book Thurs flight and its no longer on the website.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 10:12
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SNN to CDG
Commencing Friday 13 March
Mon Wed Fri and Sun
Dep SNN 07h00
Arr CDG 09h45

Dep CDG 10h35
Arr SNN 11h25

SNN to BCN
Commencing Sat 02 May
Tues Thurs and Sat
Dep SNN 05h45
Arr BCN 09h05

Dep BCN 10h00
Arr SNN 11:35

These could be great connections on to EIís JFK flight and possibly their BOS flight too if the times were readjusted. Either way it can only be a good thing for Shannon Airport.
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