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Old 9th Oct 2017, 12:21
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PHL season also increased.

Can see numbers falling in 2018.
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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 20:07
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Delta using a domestic 757 next year which entails no business class. However, this will slightly weaken the blow of losing the 767 as the domestic 757 will carry more passengers.

The 757 days are getting very numbered, Shannon won't be considered 757 heaven for much longer!
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 11:33
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Having spoken with a pal of mine who works in UA’s Commerical department, the reason UA pulled much of the B757 operation is because of the new agreements that they made with pilots and cabin crew earlier this year. The B757 operation isn’t as lucrative now which is why the ORD-SNN-SNN operation isn’t returning. They’re mostly gonna be used on Hawaiian routes ex SFO and LAX now as Hawaii is the big sunshine holiday destination for US citizens these days. SNN wasn’t the only European airport to experience reduction either.
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 19:50
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UA Will be arriving 0915 and departing 1230 when it returns. Rumour has it that the EI Boston flight may be an A330 for a few months in the summer. DL will be an all economy B757.
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 19:52
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Management trying to secure a route to Larnaca with Cobalt for next summer.

In regards to the A330 on BOS, I've heard nothing but I doubt it, although I've been surprised before.
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Old 3rd Dec 2017, 20:12
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BOS rumour is probally from the fact current schedules require a fifth B752. So either one will arrive (unlikely) or one of existing SNN or DUB will be switched over the summer because they have A330 capacity. They have apparently opted against going back with daily IAD A330 so that leaves BDY, PHL or something out of SNN to move.
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Old 4th Dec 2017, 06:30
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Originally Posted by SNNUS
UA Will be arriving 0915 and departing 1230 when it returns. Rumour has it that the EI Boston flight may be an A330 for a few months in the summer. DL will be an all economy B757.
Delta will be a domestic configured 757. Which will mean no Delta One cabin but the domestic First class cabin instead not all economy.
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Old 5th Dec 2017, 21:34
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BOS-SNN would be the obvious candidate for A330 operations, but there is a problem. Without positioning flights I can't think of a way to get the A330 on SNN-BOS and the 757 to DUB-BDL/PHL/IAD. For that reason, I wonder if the DUB routes are more likely to see the A330? As an aside, do any SNN crew still operate on the A330?
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Old 5th Dec 2017, 21:38
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There's a few things you could do, such as moving a crew to SNN for a number of months, or operating on a W from Boston and hence minimal ground transport in Ireland. Crew are bussed up and down from Cork every day in the summer to operate EI's routes to Malaga and Faro!

The jump in capacity would be huge, I'm not sure there's the market for it. However would love to see the A330 back operating from SNN.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 16:18
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UA becoming very seasonal. EWR flight ends 27th October this year.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 17:22
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Still longer than many seasonal routes run at the moment.

Very dissapointing however.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 15:42
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Still positive to keep United for the season.
What were the final passenger numbers for the airport in 2017 and how much growth on 2016?
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 16:02
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Not good as they've not been released yet. Here's the 2018 schedule overlook:

Increases on existing services

*Providence going to 4pw and Stewart to 3pw for Summer 2018 (as opposed to 2pw each for 2017) with Norwegian.
*Lanzarote with Ryanair increasing to 3pw for June and July.
*Philadelphia with American increasing season by a month.

New Routes

*Toronto, with Air Canada, beginning in June (end October) at 4pw on 737 MAX
*Reus, with Ryanair, beginning in March (Seasonal to October) at 2pw

Many losses too however:

Routes cut

*Berlin SXF (Year-Round)with Ryanair (2pw) - Cut
*Stockholm (August-October) with SAS (2pw) - Cut
*Chicago (May-September) with United (5pw-Daily) - Cut

Decreases on existing routes

*Malaga (Year round, but concerning JULY/AUGUST segment) with Ryanair - Cut from 4pw to 2pw.
*New York-JFK (May-October) with Delta - Reduced from 767 to 757
*Newark (Was Year round) with United - Cut to March-October
*Zurich with Helvetic Airways, operated at 1PW, not sure of exactly what season it was or will be but I know the season has been cut by the few weeks.

I expect a decrease for 2017.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 16:07
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Numbers were down by about 70K from January to September. I can't see any reason that trend should be substantially different for the last quarter. They were certainly down by about 5K for October.

Full route-level figures will be released by the CSO in late-March/early April.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 20:28
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Looks like Shannon finished up at +0.1%.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 20:28
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Seriously?

Source?
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 09:06
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From the CSO, these are exact figures for international passengers. so all that is excluded is the very tiny number of domestic passengers in Shannon

2016 (Jan-Oct): 1451018
2017 (Jan-Oct): 1381549

2016 (Full Year): 1653514
2016 (Nov-Dec): 202496

We also have a figure for total passengers at Shannon for 2016, which shows 1,674,567, with the implication that the total domestic figure is 21,053. I'm surprised it's that high, but it's still only a fraction

It would take over 35% growth in November and December to get to 0.1% growth for the year. I just can't see that.

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Aviation Statistics 2016 - CSO - Central Statistics Office
Passenger Movement by Irish Airport, Direction, Foreign Airport and Month - StatBank - data and statistics
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 11:22
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Does that include transit? They've signalled before that this is how they'll spin it.

Shannon caught in a tailspin ? The Clare Champion

Despite the poor figures, Shannon Group CEO Matthew Thomas claimed the airport will finish the year on a par with 2016, 25% up on when it separated from the DAA.

He added, “The CSO figures provided this week do not take account our significant transit business at Shannon, which accounts for 9% of our passenger numbers and which has enjoyed growth of 80% to date thanks to additional frequencies from Kuwait Airways.
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 15:12
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It includes connecting passengers who are flying a routing like Birmingham-Shannon-New York. In fact it double counts them.

As it's a sum of arriving and departing passengers, it may well miss those who are on the same flight like KU117 and BA001.
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 15:14
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Domestic figures are the loop of Galway bay that Ryanair fly as a santa flight every Christmas.
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