Manchester-2
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Great news, but Juneyao really need to aim to go direct as soon as possible. I don't understand why they couldn't have started with thrice weekly direct flights instead of routing through Helsinki. Must say I'm quite disappointed. Can anyone explain their logic?
Why would you choose to fly with Juneyao (who aren't very well known) over other airlines flying via hubs to Shanghai? Lots of competition on the Shanghai route from Manchester. Anyone know how long the stopover is in Helsinki? How does the travel time to Shanghai going via Helsinki compare with other hub airlines?
I always think it's a bit of a cop out when airlines & airports market routes as being direct, when they're not.
Why would you choose to fly with Juneyao (who aren't very well known) over other airlines flying via hubs to Shanghai? Lots of competition on the Shanghai route from Manchester. Anyone know how long the stopover is in Helsinki? How does the travel time to Shanghai going via Helsinki compare with other hub airlines?
I always think it's a bit of a cop out when airlines & airports market routes as being direct, when they're not.
As you say, they are unknown. Direct means charging a premium. If you're unknown, you can't do that. So you test the water gently.
There are other factors which may play. Unknown to western audiences, but not necessarily Chinese audiences. Filled with tour groups, perhaps, who appreciate direct (though not non-stop) on a carrier that speaks their language. And to the large diaspora/student group at the UK end, to them perhaps the brand is not unknown. The stop is, I would imagine, going to be an hour. Helsinki to China is a fairly efficient routing so I would be surprised if it killed the timing too much.
Would you also say that Manchester doesn't have a flight to Addis Ababa because it stops in Brussels first? Or, if they still exist, the hops on the end of Caribbean flights?
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Europe
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Northwich
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Whilst Juneyao dithers, other airlines for example Virgin or maybe a different Chinese Airline might jump ahead of the queue before them with a direct flight. To my knowledge, didn't Virgin just announce a new codeshare with a Chinese Airline?
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: EGCC
Age: 74
Posts: 979
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Manchester Statistics - October 2019
Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.
No new destinations were included in October
Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,061,781 passengers
The following domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for October.
Aberdeen, Belfast City, Glasgow, and Guernsey whose total passengers, in 2018, totaled 56,355
Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers – 2,505,175 -1.86%
Annual Total – 19,980,245 +4.20%
Moving Annual Total - 29,483,197 +4.81%
Monthly Movements – 17,737 -2.50%
Annual Movements – 132,993 +1.56%
Moving Annual Movements – 203,724 +1.61%
Manchester Airport's October statistics
Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers
Top destinations with highest percentage increase.
Figures for the European and long-haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.
Istanbul figures are affected by the start of the Pegasus service to Sabiha Gokcen airport. The combined figures for both airports gives an increase of 61.8% over the same month last year.
New York (JFK) – Although the monthly figures is down by 17,391 one must remember that Thomas Cook in September had carried 12,558 passengers until their sad demise on 23rd September.
Comparison of top 31 destinations - October 2009 versus October 2019
Major changes to Domestic traffic
Load factors analysis on certain routes
Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.
No new destinations were included in October
Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,061,781 passengers
The following domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for October.
Aberdeen, Belfast City, Glasgow, and Guernsey whose total passengers, in 2018, totaled 56,355
Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers – 2,505,175 -1.86%
Annual Total – 19,980,245 +4.20%
Moving Annual Total - 29,483,197 +4.81%
Monthly Movements – 17,737 -2.50%
Annual Movements – 132,993 +1.56%
Moving Annual Movements – 203,724 +1.61%
Manchester Airport's October statistics
Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers
Top destinations with highest percentage increase.
Figures for the European and long-haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.
Istanbul figures are affected by the start of the Pegasus service to Sabiha Gokcen airport. The combined figures for both airports gives an increase of 61.8% over the same month last year.
New York (JFK) – Although the monthly figures is down by 17,391 one must remember that Thomas Cook in September had carried 12,558 passengers until their sad demise on 23rd September.
Comparison of top 31 destinations - October 2009 versus October 2019
Major changes to Domestic traffic
Load factors analysis on certain routes
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 48
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would imagine because it changes the economics of the route as you can partially offset the costs with HEL-MAN passengers (as it appears to be fifth freedom), and then on the long haul bit passengers from HEL-PVG eat some of the costs, too.
As you say, they are unknown. Direct means charging a premium. If you're unknown, you can't do that. So you test the water gently.
There are other factors which may play. Unknown to western audiences, but not necessarily Chinese audiences. Filled with tour groups, perhaps, who appreciate direct (though not non-stop) on a carrier that speaks their language. And to the large diaspora/student group at the UK end, to them perhaps the brand is not unknown. The stop is, I would imagine, going to be an hour. Helsinki to China is a fairly efficient routing so I would be surprised if it killed the timing too much.
Would you also say that Manchester doesn't have a flight to Addis Ababa because it stops in Brussels first? Or, if they still exist, the hops on the end of Caribbean flights?
As you say, they are unknown. Direct means charging a premium. If you're unknown, you can't do that. So you test the water gently.
There are other factors which may play. Unknown to western audiences, but not necessarily Chinese audiences. Filled with tour groups, perhaps, who appreciate direct (though not non-stop) on a carrier that speaks their language. And to the large diaspora/student group at the UK end, to them perhaps the brand is not unknown. The stop is, I would imagine, going to be an hour. Helsinki to China is a fairly efficient routing so I would be surprised if it killed the timing too much.
Would you also say that Manchester doesn't have a flight to Addis Ababa because it stops in Brussels first? Or, if they still exist, the hops on the end of Caribbean flights?
Fingers crossed they will succeed anyway.
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Northwich
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think the main problem with starting direct long haul routes into Asia from Manchester is the stiff competition you're up against. You've got the following hub airlines going East: Emirates X 3, Qatar x 3, Etihad x 2, Turkish X 2, Oman Air, British Airways, Pegasus, Lufthansa, Air France & Swiss etc.
Price, frequency, timing, Air Miles & product all play a big part. It's a hard nut to crack. I was critical of Juneyao to start with for their meager offering out of Manchester, but the more I think about it, the more their strategy makes good business sense.
Price, frequency, timing, Air Miles & product all play a big part. It's a hard nut to crack. I was critical of Juneyao to start with for their meager offering out of Manchester, but the more I think about it, the more their strategy makes good business sense.
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Appears a bit odd then, as the HEL-PVG is Also a code share with Finnair -a One World airline.
Also with 5th freedom on the MAN-HEL this might impact the AY offering.
I'm a user of the Finnair from MAN to HKG and I'd be disappointed in any negative impact on the AY service.
Also with 5th freedom on the MAN-HEL this might impact the AY offering.
I'm a user of the Finnair from MAN to HKG and I'd be disappointed in any negative impact on the AY service.
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: EGCC
Age: 74
Posts: 979
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
November statistics are now out.
Allowing for the loss of Thomas Cook it is not too surprising that numbers are down and, in my opinion a reduction of less than 28,000 is pretty tame.
Allowing for the loss of Thomas Cook it is not too surprising that numbers are down and, in my opinion a reduction of less than 28,000 is pretty tame.
Join Date: May 2005
Location: CEG
Posts: 33
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
