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The other issue is whether Air China still hold the rights to PVG-MAN and if so, how will the CAAC react to the application by Juneyao to serve MAN, albeit as an extension to their Helsinki service.
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Juneyao are one of those many quasi private Chinese companies that when really probed are pretty much a front and don’t stand up to City and financial standards .
Very close inspection shows rather close links to both Air China and China Southern !
Indeed it appears to me that the guys at Air China manipulate both purse strings and direction. Suffice to say it’s just another shell ( they record profits allegedly !)
Given known internal politics around Air China’s desire for more access to Shanghai whilst they actively block ( with tacit approval of the CAAC ) similar access for China Eastern out of Beijing ( China Southern being to preferred second carrier from Daxing !) me thinks Juneyeo are a play by the big two to break China Easterns hold at Shanghai via the back door and via the “new entrance rules”
As usual China’s aviation market still sleight of hand and illusion
That said would be nice to see them pick up the Air China licence !
The one carrier one route “rule” very much remains for the immediate future and even in Beijing as two carriers won’t operate from the same airport but the market as a whole will be considered a single one !
So for instance China Southern have been awarded Daxing - London and will certainly start this very soon - they are VERY LIKELY to acquire a pair of Jet evening slots in the next weeks especially as they have a code share and partnership with owners Etihad already !
That's a fair point but does the 1 route / 1 airline policy still stand at LHR for China services?
The other issue is whether Air China still hold the rights to PVG-MAN and if so, how will the CAAC react to the application by Juneyao to serve MAN, albeit as an extension to their Helsinki service.
The other issue is whether Air China still hold the rights to PVG-MAN and if so, how will the CAAC react to the application by Juneyao to serve MAN, albeit as an extension to their Helsinki service.
Very close inspection shows rather close links to both Air China and China Southern !
Indeed it appears to me that the guys at Air China manipulate both purse strings and direction. Suffice to say it’s just another shell ( they record profits allegedly !)
Given known internal politics around Air China’s desire for more access to Shanghai whilst they actively block ( with tacit approval of the CAAC ) similar access for China Eastern out of Beijing ( China Southern being to preferred second carrier from Daxing !) me thinks Juneyeo are a play by the big two to break China Easterns hold at Shanghai via the back door and via the “new entrance rules”
As usual China’s aviation market still sleight of hand and illusion
That said would be nice to see them pick up the Air China licence !
The one carrier one route “rule” very much remains for the immediate future and even in Beijing as two carriers won’t operate from the same airport but the market as a whole will be considered a single one !
So for instance China Southern have been awarded Daxing - London and will certainly start this very soon - they are VERY LIKELY to acquire a pair of Jet evening slots in the next weeks especially as they have a code share and partnership with owners Etihad already !
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Nope not the property of Jet - All owned by Etihad and they have take one pair back and will certainly want to place the rest out to a rental . China Southern are likely to use one pair whilst other may well find use with VS/DL/Connect !
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There is the second airport at Shanghai - Hongqiou (SHA), maybe the Juneyao plan would be to serve there as they have a hub. In reality, Hongqiou is the better airport for access to the city and is adjacent to the high speed railway station.
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SHA is more a domestic/regional airport, not used for long-haul flight (up to now).
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Do the baggage handlers still chuck your case around like a shotput at EGCC?
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There are some people who just seem to be intent on revisiting old problems.
I certainly recall a number of very well known events with bad, I'll even go as far as to say horrendous, publicity for the airport in 2018. However I would hope that the handling agents responsible - note agents contracted by the airlines and not by the airport - have been given written warnings and that things have improved. I don't recall having seen any reports of problems this year but, hey ho, we are only in mid-April and so there is still time for some people's dreams to come true!
I certainly recall a number of very well known events with bad, I'll even go as far as to say horrendous, publicity for the airport in 2018. However I would hope that the handling agents responsible - note agents contracted by the airlines and not by the airport - have been given written warnings and that things have improved. I don't recall having seen any reports of problems this year but, hey ho, we are only in mid-April and so there is still time for some people's dreams to come true!
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I have just come through T2 with SIA and can only say what a drab experience it is. Below is a post I put on the LBA site about their new proposed development, which also fits Manchester new T2 experience as well.
Looks a little like the "New" Manchester i.e. no architectural master piece, a communal bus shelter not unlike Liverpool. Sorry, but I have been involved with airport projects globally, and have to say the ability of airport operators in the UK to pick the most boring designs is becoming a bit of a joke. I know that one of the worlds big manufacture's is Airbus, but do you have to, in the UK take this literally in building Bus Stations with a shopping mall attached. I realise that much of UK regionals do not have the budget of HK / Singapore but can we get away from the Ral 7016 cladding colour (known as recession Grey in our company) and common to all UK public buildings since 2008. Put some more glass in to show the punters, many who are not regular flyers the beauty of aviation. You can be adventuress without breaking budgets. Years ago I was involved in a minor way in a Public swimming pool project in Colne in Lancashire which won the Sunday Times project of the year for the Hodder Sanderson practice, and they beat some big names in doing that so it can be done on a budget, you just need some vision. I believe Steve Hodder still has a thriving practice, in Manchester so you can even use a local practice !
Have to say opportunity well and truly missed with new Manchester development, not a good example of a Global gateway in this SLF extensive experience both as punter and contractor.
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Looks a little like the "New" Manchester i.e. no architectural master piece, a communal bus shelter not unlike Liverpool. Sorry, but I have been involved with airport projects globally, and have to say the ability of airport operators in the UK to pick the most boring designs is becoming a bit of a joke. I know that one of the worlds big manufacture's is Airbus, but do you have to, in the UK take this literally in building Bus Stations with a shopping mall attached. I realise that much of UK regionals do not have the budget of HK / Singapore but can we get away from the Ral 7016 cladding colour (known as recession Grey in our company) and common to all UK public buildings since 2008. Put some more glass in to show the punters, many who are not regular flyers the beauty of aviation. You can be adventuress without breaking budgets. Years ago I was involved in a minor way in a Public swimming pool project in Colne in Lancashire which won the Sunday Times project of the year for the Hodder Sanderson practice, and they beat some big names in doing that so it can be done on a budget, you just need some vision. I believe Steve Hodder still has a thriving practice, in Manchester so you can even use a local practice !
Have to say opportunity well and truly missed with new Manchester development, not a good example of a Global gateway in this SLF extensive experience both as punter and contractor.
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Arriving at T1 this morning, it appears that MAN have replaced Arrow Cars with Street Cars as their preferred private hire company.
Of course, Street Cars didn't have any cars available for "at least 30 minutes", so that sounds like a great change.
Of course, Street Cars didn't have any cars available for "at least 30 minutes", so that sounds like a great change.
There should be a minimum service requirement of a car available within five minutes at any time between 6.30am and 01.00am.
Otherwise pointless having a preferred provider.
Otherwise pointless having a preferred provider.
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No I just looked from the outside when coming up to stand. At the moment the next time I use T2 will be June with Jet 2 (though in my game things change frequently so I maybe there sooner !) and will be using the new pier I fear. I use T1 for most of my hops, as usually on EK and LH ,and only occasionally use T2 for SIA / Cathay. When EK were first in T2 I used it quite a bit but even then preferred T1 and T3, but that was when T3 was largely just BA but the EK lounge in T2 was awful. I have seen some internal shots of the works, and I am sorry it is not impressive in my opinion. Have a look at Munich if you want to look at a good regional airport in Europe where design and functionality work well.
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No I just looked from the outside when coming up to stand. At the moment the next time I use T2 will be June with Jet 2 (though in my game things change frequently so I maybe there sooner !) and will be using the new pier I fear. I use T1 for most of my hops, as usually on EK and LH ,and only occasionally use T2 for SIA / Cathay. When EK were first in T2 I used it quite a bit but even then preferred T1 and T3, but that was when T3 was largely just BA but the EK lounge in T2 was awful. I have seen some internal shots of the works, and I am sorry it is not impressive in my opinion. Have a look at Munich if you want to look at a good regional airport in Europe where design and functionality work well.
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I quite liked Arrow & found them reliable. Initial dealings with Streetcars so far are poor.
You can't book a return journey online & their website link from MIA website is insecure & actual Website and App poor too, I have tried to point this out to MAG and was ignored for a while then fobbed off.
I booked a journey via their app and was estimated at £8.50 but was then charged £12.00 to my card, live chat to complain and then emailed and was ignored. Seems to be have been a total lack of Due Diligence by MAG. Good luck everybody
You can't book a return journey online & their website link from MIA website is insecure & actual Website and App poor too, I have tried to point this out to MAG and was ignored for a while then fobbed off.
I booked a journey via their app and was estimated at £8.50 but was then charged £12.00 to my card, live chat to complain and then emailed and was ignored. Seems to be have been a total lack of Due Diligence by MAG. Good luck everybody
