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CX have a series of one-off cancellations over the Winter 18-19 period. Here's MAN schedule for December. It looks like you had some bad luck there!
01DEC18-28DEC18 MTWTFSS MANCHESTER /HONG KONG
11DEC 1234567 MAN HKG 1130# 0705 CX 216 351*C
09DEC 1234567 MAN HKG 1130# 0705 CX 216 351*C
(sorry, I can't format this any better - it just shows that the current schedule ends on 9 Dec and commences again on 11 Dec)
CDG/FRA/MXP/LGW and even LHR have short term or one-off cancellations through this period too.
01DEC18-28DEC18 MTWTFSS MANCHESTER /HONG KONG
11DEC 1234567 MAN HKG 1130# 0705 CX 216 351*C
09DEC 1234567 MAN HKG 1130# 0705 CX 216 351*C
(sorry, I can't format this any better - it just shows that the current schedule ends on 9 Dec and commences again on 11 Dec)
CDG/FRA/MXP/LGW and even LHR have short term or one-off cancellations through this period too.
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The statistics posted by Scottie Dog are, as always, interesting. As opposed to pax departing to all these destinations, are there a complimentary set for arriving pax?
How many travellers, for each destination, start and finish their trips at EGCC, as opposed to those pax starting and finishing, 'at the other end', and going home again?
No real axe to grind, but as a 'human geographer', just curious as to where everyone's going?
How many travellers, for each destination, start and finish their trips at EGCC, as opposed to those pax starting and finishing, 'at the other end', and going home again?
No real axe to grind, but as a 'human geographer', just curious as to where everyone's going?
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Flts cancelled 14/21-11, 10/12, 17/22-1/19, 25/28-1/19, 21/24-2/19, 5/20-3/19.
Spanners, I hope we are still getting the A350-10 for the 3 months. Those 7 cancelled flights in that period will slightly offset the extra capacity provided by the larger a/c. Surprised at 4 days cancelled in January - I assume the reason for the 350-10 was increased demand in the pre and post-Christmas period.
Flts cancelled 14/21-11, 10/12, 17/22-1/19, 25/28-1/19, 21/24-2/19, 5/20-3/19.
Spanners, I hope we are still getting the A350-10 for the 3 months. Those 7 cancelled flights in that period will slightly offset the extra capacity provided by the larger a/c. Surprised at 4 days cancelled in January - I assume the reason for the 350-10 was increased demand in the pre and post-Christmas period.
Just to add to the debate about nationalities on flights based on my experience . City/business destinations can be very mixed between Brits and locals. BIO is often heavily skewed towards Spanish and SKG in the winter is predominantly Greek. KEF sees a lot of Icelandic’s heading to Manchester (for some City culture/life no doubt given where they live) There can be a large number of non-EU nationals on most city/business routes too. Lots of Chinese, Australians, Canadians and Americans. Indeed, my carrier has an American website.
Holiday destinations, unsurprisingly, tend the be mainly Brits of course but places like PFO can see a large number of Cypriot students at various times of the year. Some of the more upmarket Greek destinations such as JTR and JMK can also see a number of non-Eu nationals too.
TLV is of course a massive VFR Route from both ends of the route.
Holiday destinations, unsurprisingly, tend the be mainly Brits of course but places like PFO can see a large number of Cypriot students at various times of the year. Some of the more upmarket Greek destinations such as JTR and JMK can also see a number of non-Eu nationals too.
TLV is of course a massive VFR Route from both ends of the route.
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Actually the last one was delivered early! But the one scheduled before that is yet to be delivered. The number of deliveries for this year has increased from 6 to 8, with the last one being 24th Dec!!!
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Visiting Relatives and Friends VRF would seem like a simple fix.
Either way, The96er is correct, I mean Visiting Friends and Relatives.
Both are terms used in aviation but there is very little crossover. Visual Flight Rules is a very operational term where as Visiting Friends & Relatives is merely a categorisation of passenger for the marketing bods. The latter term is actually never used operationally.
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Indeed. You would think given that both are terms common in the aviation industry, they would remove opportunity for collinearity.
Visiting Relatives and Friends VRF would seem like a simple fix.
Either way, The96er is correct, I mean Visiting Friends and Relatives.
Visiting Relatives and Friends VRF would seem like a simple fix.
Either way, The96er is correct, I mean Visiting Friends and Relatives.
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Both are terms used in aviation but there is very little crossover. Visual Flight Rules is a very operational term where as Visiting Friends & Relatives is merely a categorisation of passenger for the marketing bods. The latter term is actually never used operationally.
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Can anyone please explain when this agreement of 50 flights, excluding London airports, comes into force over new flights from China to the UK, and vice versa, I have just noticed that Air China have said they will start an extra 3 flights per week , arriving early morning, from Beijing into LHR, There have also been a few new announcements of other airlines adding Heathrow, Hainan i think is one. Just wondering, thats all.
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Refuelers Air China are already operating up to 3 daily flights into Heathrow right now the additional flight is CA616/617 and it’s unreported !
They are adding an overnight flight shortly.
The bilateral is already active however the real demand and route profitability isn’t actually present.
As said many times Chinese aviation is smoke and mirrors - indeed many of those carriers are little more than shells and the routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments it would find many western companies in court for fraud !
They are operated directly as a result of a dictate from the highest authority of the PRC and the Chinese tax payer is paying big time - it’s pure politics at work as part of the Chinese Global domination statergy.
Makes the ME3 seem quite amateurish and it’s far more worrying imho.
HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality. Below stairs plenty of boxes through.
What they are not doing is opening new UK export and business opportunities through.
Certain British politicians and indeed ministers need to take note imho !
Similarly I fully expect the China Southern route to Wuhan to disappear soon as Daxing opens especially as CZ Has been awarded the route over China Eastern.
China Eastern is for some reason less than favoured in Beijing -Well,its actually because Shanghai refuses to alllow Air China slots for already awarded routes there ( one of which is Manchester !)
To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !
Manchester has pretty much settled at load factors in the 80% range .
They are adding an overnight flight shortly.
The bilateral is already active however the real demand and route profitability isn’t actually present.
As said many times Chinese aviation is smoke and mirrors - indeed many of those carriers are little more than shells and the routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments it would find many western companies in court for fraud !
They are operated directly as a result of a dictate from the highest authority of the PRC and the Chinese tax payer is paying big time - it’s pure politics at work as part of the Chinese Global domination statergy.
Makes the ME3 seem quite amateurish and it’s far more worrying imho.
HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality. Below stairs plenty of boxes through.
What they are not doing is opening new UK export and business opportunities through.
Certain British politicians and indeed ministers need to take note imho !
Similarly I fully expect the China Southern route to Wuhan to disappear soon as Daxing opens especially as CZ Has been awarded the route over China Eastern.
China Eastern is for some reason less than favoured in Beijing -Well,its actually because Shanghai refuses to alllow Air China slots for already awarded routes there ( one of which is Manchester !)
To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !
Manchester has pretty much settled at load factors in the 80% range .
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Refuelers Air China are already operating up to 3 daily flights into Heathrow right now the additional flight is CA616/617 and it’s unreported !
They are adding an overnight flight shortly.
The bilateral is already active however the real demand and route profitability isn’t actually present.
As said many times Chinese aviation is smoke and mirrors - indeed many of those carriers are little more than shells and the routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments it would find many western companies in court for fraud !
They are operated directly as a result of a dictate from the highest authority of the PRC and the Chinese tax payer is paying big time - it’s pure politics at work as part of the Chinese Global domination statergy.
Makes the ME3 seem quite amateurish and it’s far more worrying imho.
HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality. Below stairs plenty of boxes through.
What they are not doing is opening new UK export and business opportunities through.
Certain British politicians and indeed ministers need to take note imho !
Similarly I fully expect the China Southern route to Wuhan to disappear soon as Daxing opens especially as CZ Has been awarded the route over China Eastern.
China Eastern is for some reason less than favoured in Beijing -Well,its actually because Shanghai refuses to alllow Air China slots for already awarded routes there ( one of which is Manchester !)
To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !
Manchester has pretty much settled at load factors in the 80% range .
They are adding an overnight flight shortly.
The bilateral is already active however the real demand and route profitability isn’t actually present.
As said many times Chinese aviation is smoke and mirrors - indeed many of those carriers are little more than shells and the routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments it would find many western companies in court for fraud !
They are operated directly as a result of a dictate from the highest authority of the PRC and the Chinese tax payer is paying big time - it’s pure politics at work as part of the Chinese Global domination statergy.
Makes the ME3 seem quite amateurish and it’s far more worrying imho.
HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality. Below stairs plenty of boxes through.
What they are not doing is opening new UK export and business opportunities through.
Certain British politicians and indeed ministers need to take note imho !
Similarly I fully expect the China Southern route to Wuhan to disappear soon as Daxing opens especially as CZ Has been awarded the route over China Eastern.
China Eastern is for some reason less than favoured in Beijing -Well,its actually because Shanghai refuses to alllow Air China slots for already awarded routes there ( one of which is Manchester !)
To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !
Manchester has pretty much settled at load factors in the 80% range .
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Refuelers Air China are already operating up to 3 daily flights into Heathrow right now the additional flight is CA616/617 and it’s unreported !
They are adding an overnight flight shortly.
The bilateral is already active however the real demand and route profitability isn’t actually present.
As said many times Chinese aviation is smoke and mirrors - indeed many of those carriers are little more than shells and the routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments it would find many western companies in court for fraud !
They are operated directly as a result of a dictate from the highest authority of the PRC and the Chinese tax payer is paying big time - it’s pure politics at work as part of the Chinese Global domination statergy.
Makes the ME3 seem quite amateurish and it’s far more worrying imho.
HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality. Below stairs plenty of boxes through.
What they are not doing is opening new UK export and business opportunities through.
Certain British politicians and indeed ministers need to take note imho !
Similarly I fully expect the China Southern route to Wuhan to disappear soon as Daxing opens especially as CZ Has been awarded the route over China Eastern.
China Eastern is for some reason less than favoured in Beijing -Well,its actually because Shanghai refuses to alllow Air China slots for already awarded routes there ( one of which is Manchester !)
To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !
Manchester has pretty much settled at load factors in the 80% range .
They are adding an overnight flight shortly.
The bilateral is already active however the real demand and route profitability isn’t actually present.
As said many times Chinese aviation is smoke and mirrors - indeed many of those carriers are little more than shells and the routes operated so heavily subsidised by the local/regional governments it would find many western companies in court for fraud !
They are operated directly as a result of a dictate from the highest authority of the PRC and the Chinese tax payer is paying big time - it’s pure politics at work as part of the Chinese Global domination statergy.
Makes the ME3 seem quite amateurish and it’s far more worrying imho.
HNA Group is built on these Shells and those routes by Capitol, Tianjin and Hainan to Changsha are stuffed with CAISSA tourists very low yielding and are little more than charters in reality. Below stairs plenty of boxes through.
What they are not doing is opening new UK export and business opportunities through.
Certain British politicians and indeed ministers need to take note imho !
Similarly I fully expect the China Southern route to Wuhan to disappear soon as Daxing opens especially as CZ Has been awarded the route over China Eastern.
China Eastern is for some reason less than favoured in Beijing -Well,its actually because Shanghai refuses to alllow Air China slots for already awarded routes there ( one of which is Manchester !)
To consider the genuine demand just look at Edinburgh numbers again without CAISSA tourists they would be in single figures !
Manchester has pretty much settled at load factors in the 80% range .