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Old 19th Jul 2018, 23:17
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Chaps-
you have to pay at most airports to drop off..
That should say most UK airports- rare anywhere else in the world part of rip off UK.
as for airlines screwing the airport how come Manchester has just made record profits and paid record dividends.?

Given that on top of the APD paid to the Exchequer (one of the highest in the world) im also paying MAN £11.44 facility fee to use the place and also £5.73 to use the security- there isn’t a financial requirement to install a turnstile on entering the doors.
so, for over 17 quid I don’t expect to be stood in a queue for 2 hours, have nowhere to sit & use a dirty toilet with broken locks.

T1 duty free shop lost £800 of my business last month as I did not have any time to make the purchase after 90 minutes in security.

I have stopped using MAN for domestic flights too.

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Old 20th Jul 2018, 06:46
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Zooker,
SEMMMS is the overall strategy for road transport across the south eastern part of the conurbation, the A6MARR or MAELR (any publicly funded job must have lots of acronyms- it's the rules) is the dual carriageway that is should be completed by this time next year, this will make a big positive difference to traffic flows to the airport and also the local area as it routes from the A6 east of Hazel Grove right to the front door of the airport.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 06:54
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Amsterdam Airprt has said it is looking into pick up and drop off charges. I’ve also heard several large airports across Europe are also looking into it as well. It’s no longer just a MAN/UK thing, it’s becoming the new normal.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 07:50
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Originally Posted by techair View Post
Zooker,
SEMMMS is the overall strategy for road transport across the south eastern part of the conurbation, the A6MARR or MAELR (any publicly funded job must have lots of acronyms- it's the rules) is the dual carriageway that is should be completed by this time next year, this will make a big positive difference to traffic flows to the airport and also the local area as it routes from the A6 east of Hazel Grove right to the front door of the airport.
Are you saying the opening of MAELR (I'm assuming this refers to the A555 by-pass) has now been put back another 9 months, or are you meaning it will be open before then and therefore in place for next summer's peak holiday period at the airport? The latest official revised date I was aware of was something like late summer/early autumn 2018. Mind you, looking at the current status and rate of progress that seems highly doubtful.

The knock-on effect of the delays on this relatively short stretch of road have caused major problems for the airport.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 07:58
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Originally Posted by MANFOD View Post
Are you saying the opening of MAELR (I'm assuming this refers to the A555 by-pass) has now been put back another 9 months, or are you meaning it will be open before then and therefore in place for next summer's peak holiday period at the airport? The latest official revised date I was aware of was something like late summer/early autumn 2018. Mind you, looking at the current status and rate of progress that seems highly doubtful.

The knock-on effect of the delays on this relatively short stretch of road have caused major problems for the airport.
think about the delays for the staff having to use that route in day after day. Some are considering quitting due to the issues of getting to work.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 08:06
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techair, just testing. I've been following the progress of both the A6MARR and SEMMMS, (South-East Manchester Multi-Modal Strategy) with interest since they began. I doubt whether the A6MARR will be open along it's full length this year, the section around Bramhall is far from complete. Knowing the local councils, they'll want to open it in one go, accompanied by lots of trumpet blowing and flag-waving. It needs to be opened as each section is completed, road-users in that area have suffered enough. With the continuing airport expansion, coupled with the developments at 'Airport City' and the 15,000 new houses proposed along it's length, it will fill up with traffic fairly quickly. Transport/traffic modelling is often spectacularly wrong, and the volumes of road traffic nationwide have grown markedly in the last 5 years. Just listen to Radio 2's hourly traffic reports.
When the SEMMMS strategy documents were published, I can't remember any proposals to introduce charging for motorists accessing any of the region's planned transport 'nodes'. The concept of a road/air/bus/train/tram interchange at Ringway is a splendid idea. I remember messrs Twigg and Muirhead proudly proclaiming "Manchester Airport has a brand-new GTI". (Ground Transport Interchange,- another acronym for you, techair). With the continuing reduction in bus access, 'Rip-Off Ringway' has decided to impose a further 'tax' on those who must use their 'GTI's to access the railway station.

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Old 20th Jul 2018, 09:14
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Zooker, for the sake of fairness if people live very local to the airport and the GTI would be classed as their local railway station, by way of a simple registration, drop off at the GTI forecourt is free of charge within forecourt allowed time constraints.
I fully agree with you that the new ******* (MAELR or put your own acronym here) bypass will very quickly fill up with vehicles from all the planned development along its route, as witnessed on the A34 bypass which is now basically full and there are frequent jams on the original bypassed routes. The number of lanes and types of intersections of the new MAELR has also severely limited its effectiveness and capacity in years to come.
All that said, I still believe that by this time next year the whole airport experience will have improved markedly if the decision makers and managers who understand how the airport operates are back in their natural positions, if not then we should expect more knee jerk solutions to self inflicted problems.
One big positive is that across the piste most of MAN's airline customers and service partners see the positives and are very willing to invest heavily with new routes, equipment and facilities.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 09:28
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MANFOD, I am totally in agreement with you regarding the opening of the acronym bypass, it looks very suspect in several locations. Using a military acronym "7P" looks rather irrelevant in this instance, wrong drainage, Carillion and flooding have all played their part in the delays, question is, is there more to come. If not, I think the traffic situation around and to the airport will be hugely improved by this time next year.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 10:07
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Any idea on who or if Zagreb will come back on the equation? That is at least from where monarch left a gaping hole as well as other European destinations which we've lost.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 10:18
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Techair I think the flooding problem was caused by the original part of the road not the new but was just found out when the new section was added
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 10:56
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis View Post

Given that on top of the APD paid to the Exchequer (one of the highest in the world) im also paying MAN £11.44 facility fee to use the place and also £5.73 to use the security- there isnít a financial requirement to install a turnstile on entering the doors.
so, for over 17 quid I donít expect to be stood in a queue for 2 hours, have nowhere to sit & use a dirty toilet with broken locks.

You don't pay MAN, you pay that charge to the airline. There is then a contract in place between the airport and the airline which determines how much of those costs ultimately go to the airport. I can imagine that it's a very small percentage for a carrier like Ryanair at some airports, possibly including MAN.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 11:15
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This is the problem so little goes from the airline to use airport that money has to be made in other ways, the was a guy on another forum money like hell that he wouldn`t pay £75 return incl taxes to BCN not from MAN I might add, that is hardly going to make the airline much money let alone the airport I paid more than that 30 years ago.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 11:48
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You can't do the "7P" rule, MAG don't do planning.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 12:38
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From the SEMMMS/A6MARR Website, the current state of the project (July 2018) at Styal Road......
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 12:40
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The old A34 at Handforth Flats.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 12:43
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And Woodford Road, Bramhall.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 13:08
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While I share your pessimism about the new road opening by the advertised Ďlate summerí, which gives them 2 months, itís worth saying that the last stages of a new road can happen very quickly if itís mainly tarmacing and putting up a few lampposts and roadsigns. The new road layout at the top of the motorway spur at MAN seemed to go from a mess to opening in a matter of days. That said my moneyís on Christmas.....
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 13:30
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One of the problems approaching Manchester Airport from Styal is that if you follow the signs for T1 and T2 it takes you past the Airport pub which is a real snarl up particularly at weekends and Bank Holidays with drinkers and spotters queueing to get in their car park.
Once the new access road is opened people would be well advised not to turn left off Ringway Rd but to overshoot it and continue to the next set of junctions.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 14:12
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UASS

http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.ama...et-2018_19.pdf

The fees on your ticket can be directly broken down & if it says you are paying MAN you will be paying MAN -the airline is merely a collector. It would be deception for an airline to charge you a PSC and then not pass it on in full.
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Old 20th Jul 2018, 16:31
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The thing I don't get, and no doubt someone will try to correct me, is the airport benefits from foot fall in the airside shopping areas. If they constantly expect folk to stand in the queues in security for 45 mins to an hour, they lose out substantially on sales post security. I went through T2 the other week for an 09:00 flight. Checked in at 06:30 and only just made it. Planned to stop and eat breakfast there and though not much, it was another lost sale. T3 is a nightmare, with only half the X ray lanes open at peak evening rush hour too. Surely more staff = more passengers through early to spend money on food and gifts?

Rocket science it is not. Annoying it is.
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