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Old 9th May 2018, 18:20
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Heathrow continues to fall and of course Gatwick is now non existent, which shows people prefer to fly from their local airport rather than the London hub BA wants them to. I miss the LGW link as it made a quick trip down to head office much easier than travelling through terminal 5
I think what it shows is that 10 years on there is a good deal more choice available out of MAN to fly either direct to many destinations or via a multitude of connecting hubs both in Europe and beyond. Going via Heathrow still offers a high number of departure times from MAN - 8 or 9 a day, and a good range of onward flights but it is just one of many options and there's no 'proper' premium product on the first sector.
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Old 9th May 2018, 21:10
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I think what it shows is that 10 years on there is a good deal more choice available out of MAN to fly either direct to many destinations or via a multitude of connecting hubs both in Europe and beyond. Going via Heathrow still offers a high number of departure times from MAN - 8 or 9 a day, and a good range of onward flights but it is just one of many options and there's no 'proper' premium product on the first sector.
And also, if you connect elsewhere, when you board your last flight to MAN you know you can hopefully sleep for a few hours on an overnight then be home within an hour or so of landing - if you go via LHR it adds another 3+ hours to cover the last 150 miles. I now fly Virgin when going West and Emirates when going East for work - from a regular BA connector a few years ago. It's all perception, but is preferable for me.
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Old 9th May 2018, 21:30
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People will always prefer to fly from their local airport... if their destination is available.
Yep just my point pity BA dont get it.
[QUOTE I think what it shows is that 10 years on there is a good deal more choice available out of MAN to fly either direct to many destinations or via a multitude of connecting hubs both in Europe and beyond. Going via Heathrow still offers a high number of departure times from MAN - 8 or 9 a day, and a good range of onward flights but it is just one of many options and there's no 'proper' premium product on the first sector. ][/QUOTE]
I was always dubious about the LHR shuttles, they are always the first flights to be cancelled if there is a problem at LHR and I never wanted to chance it. BA must have lost a lot if business in the regions to the likes of Emerites and Ethiad going south. Its a pity because I liked the BA model.
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Old 9th May 2018, 23:51
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I think BA has lost a lot of traffic on its own doorstep (LHR & LGW) with the procession of ME3 wide bodies going east !

EK for me given the option
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Old 10th May 2018, 15:04
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Just wondering if Flybe are axing MAN-LUX after 1 July? It said they were to sun it for their S18 Schedule due to Popular Demand:
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...xembourg-route
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Old 10th May 2018, 15:32
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LUX seems to get updated very late. Ryanair have threatened to serve MAN-LUX on more than one occasion, so one wonders if flybe are being cautious as to if/when RYR launch flights?

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just looked at airport timetable and the route seems to continue after 1st July at 5 weekly with various times.

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Old 10th May 2018, 16:09
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Thomas Cook to launch Comiso, Italy next summer

MT1270 MAN 0540 CIY 1005
MT1271 CIY 1105 MAN 1345

Thursdays from 2nd May 2019 with A321.
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Old 11th May 2018, 07:29
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The number of ex BA FF on the ME3 and SQ is very large out of MAN, and I also have found a number on LH doing changes at FRA and MUC. The experience and product is just better in my opinion, and with those who seem to be swapping as well. You would think that some one at BA would take note, but alas for them it seems there is no interest about anybody, or business outside the M25 doughnut. Also as others have pointed out the shuttle to Manchester is often the first to get canned if problems arise. The other thing is on routes East if you compare transfer times via LHR you can be generally be nearly half way to DXB by the time you even leave UK airspace, and your bags may also not be on board if you have hold luggage via LHR !

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Old 11th May 2018, 07:44
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Stats for April show Manchester just shy of 2% down (-1.95%)

all things considered, and the usual caveat of Easter falling in another month, isn’t too bad.

should hopefully be the only negative month this year, and the rise upwards (albeit very slowly) should continue.
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Old 11th May 2018, 08:55
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I think there were quite a few canx flights due to weather at various airports and Heathrow was down over 2% again I suspect weather problems
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Old 11th May 2018, 11:49
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  • London’s fastest growing airport sees 8.1% rise in passengers in April as it gears up for key long haul route launches.
  • MAG as a whole grows 2.7% despite fewer bank holiday days this April than last year.
  • MAG expects growth to strengthen further through the summer
Passengers
Manchester
London Stansted
East Midlands
MAG
Rolling 12 month total
MAN
27,838,941
STN
26,317,799
EMA
4,854,189
TOTAL
59,009,622*

April 2018 total

MAN
2,202,390
STN
2,365,424
EMA
405,198
TOTAL
4,973,012
April 2018

% change

year on year
MAN
-2.0%
STN
+8.1%
EMA
-0.3%
+2.7%
Cargo
Manchester
London Stansted
East Midlands
April 2018 tonnes
MAN
9,471
STN
20,542
EMA
28,091
April 2018

% change

year on year
MAN
+1.4%
STN
-0.6%
EMA
+7.1%
*excludes figures for Bournemouth Airport, which was sold to RCA in December 2017.



London Stansted, the capital’s fastest growing airport, geared up for a landmark summer season with an 8.1% year on year increase in passenger numbers in April – equivalent to 177,000 additional passenger in the month. The airport contributed to its owner MAG’s growth of 2.7% during the same period.

Growth at Stansted, which served 2.4m passengers in April, was bolstered by new services to New York with Primera Air, Reykjavik with WOW Air and Bastia & Ajaccio with Air Corsica. As well as Dubai, other new long haul destinations still to launch from Stansted this summer include Washington DC, Boston and Toronto. At the same time, Stansted’s short haul offering is gathering apace with Ryanair, Jet2.com and easyJet’s networks being complemented by new additions this year such as Wideroe and Air Corsica.

Meanwhile, Emirates’ new daily service to Dubai, which will launch in June, will mark the first time that Stansted has a direct link to a Middle Eastern hub airport and will open up 150 new route options for passengers in the East of England wishing to travel East to the Middle East and Asia.


London Stansted will be the fastest growing London airport in 2018 and this record April is just the start of a very busy summer to come.
Ken O'Toole, CEO, London Stansted Airport„
Stansted’s growth also comes despite the Easter weekend falling partially in March this year, meaning that April included only two busy bank holiday days this year compared with four last year. This contributed to Manchester Airport’s traffic in April declining slightly year on year (-2.0%) but growth is expected to gather pace from May as airlines ramp up their summer timetable. The airport has handled 27.8m passengers in the last twelve months, 4.9% up on the same period a year ago.

East Midlands Airport handled the same number of passengers that it did a year ago, despite the Easter effect, seeing 405,198 passengers through its doors in April, compared with 406,505 last year.

On the cargo side of MAG’s operation, the UK’s biggest airport for cargo aircraft, East Midlands, cargo tonnages grew 7.1% year on year, Manchester grew 1.4% and London Stansted declined 6.1%.

Ken O’Toole, CEO, London Stansted Airport said:

“London Stansted will be the fastest growing London airport in 2018 and this record April is just the start of a very busy summer to come.

“With limited spare capacity at other airports in the South East, Stansted will deliver 50 percent of London’s expected passenger growth over the next decade. Given this anticipated growth, we have applied for permission to raise the number of passengers we serve to 43 million a year, with a firm commitment to do so without any additional flights or noise impacts beyond our current permissions.

“We are also investing heavily to ensure the passenger experience is an efficient, comfortable one even as we continue to grow. We have recently opened 12 new check-in desks and are adding additional seating and restaurant facilities in time for the summer peak. This investment coupled with our new and existing range of airlines and destinations will bring even more passengers to Stansted in the coming months.”
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Old 11th May 2018, 12:06
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I would say I’m surprised a certain somebody has come back to report the traffic figures now a negative number is present, but then, I’d be lying.....
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Old 11th May 2018, 13:14
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They are actually very good figures !
With Easter you always need to add March and April and in this case Manchester is up so good figures !
I wish the same could be said for BHX !
I had 12 hours at MAN two weeks ago and was impressed how busy it was for April.


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Old 11th May 2018, 14:45
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Do we think MAG will go after EDI when it undoubtedly gets farmed off ?
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Old 11th May 2018, 14:55
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I’d say it’s unlikely.

GIP will be wanting to sell for a tidy profit, and MAG currently have a lot of their capital tied up in the MAN-TP project, STN arrivals build and EMA improvements, that I don’t see MAN able to raise a decent bid.
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Old 11th May 2018, 15:30
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MAN is a decade behind the curve having been neglected over these years with the distractions of STN, EMA, BOH, HUY, having had to dispose of two of these, I'd hope they'd not be interested in another.

On the Domestic figures, except for BFS & GLA they are either static or in decline. I'd say they certainly are bleeding some domestic pax to road and rail (Bad news for Flybe) For domestic travellers T3 is too uncomfortable & time consuming & once the stupid APD is factored in, it's rarely a viable option. I certainly would do more domestic flying if it was easier- but it isn't, so I spend a lot of time at Stockport station instead.
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Old 11th May 2018, 18:30
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Manchester has picked up a few flights for the Champions league final in Kiev.

one is a Transavia B737, another is a Thomas Cook A321 and another is just down as TBC so far.

liverpool looks to have the best flight though, as Worldchoice indicating an Ethiopian B788 will be used.
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Old 11th May 2018, 20:40
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR View Post
Manchester has picked up a few flights for the Champions league final in Kiev.

one is a Transavia B737, another is a Thomas Cook A321 and another is just down as TBC so far.

liverpool looks to have the best flight though, as Worldchoice indicating an Ethiopian B788 will be used.
is the thomas cook a321 operating one of the thomas cook sport charters or has someone else chartered it?
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Old 11th May 2018, 20:45
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I think it’s worldchoice sports but could be wrong. I forget where I saw it now?
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Old 12th May 2018, 18:06
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Comparative stats for domestic services

Originally Posted by Mr A Tis View Post
MAN is a decade behind the curve having been neglected over these years with the distractions of STN, EMA, BOH, HUY, having had to dispose of two of these, I'd hope they'd not be interested in another.

On the Domestic figures, except for BFS & GLA they are either static or in decline. I'd say they certainly are bleeding some domestic pax to road and rail (Bad news for Flybe) For domestic travellers T3 is too uncomfortable & time consuming & once the stupid APD is factored in, it's rarely a viable option. I certainly would do more domestic flying if it was easier- but it isn't, so I spend a lot of time at Stockport station instead.
Whilst not totally disagreeing with your comment on the drop in domestic carriage I thought I would look back at my records for the last 10 years. (Where March stats are not published I have used February).

Aberdeen - 11,266 (March 2008), 17,580 (March 2018)
Belfast City - 21,671 (March 2008), 20,674 (February 2018)
Belfast Intl - 15,990 (March 2008), 26,258 (March 2018)
Edinburgh - 20,330 (March 2008), 8,267 (March 2018)
Exeter - 4,354 (March 2008), 8,635 (March 2018)
Glasgow - 12,968 (March 2008), 5,840 (March 2018)
Heathrow - 83,822 (March 2008), 58,693 (March 2018)
Inverness - 1,674 (March 2008), 4,305 (March 2018)
Isle of Man - 14,261 (March 2008), 13,938 (March 2018)
Newquay - 1,142 (March 2008), 5,108 (March 2018)
Norwich - 3,679 (March 2008), 1,629 (March 2018)
Southampton - 13,713 (March 2008), 18,269 (March 2018)

This exercise has been enlightening for me as it's the first time I have done a full analysis of all (still existing) domestic routes. I appreciate that in the intervening years there have been ups and downs - in particular on the Scottish and East Anglia services - however the general flow is still encouraging.

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