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Old 18th Feb 2018, 20:17
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I wonder if Ryanair will add STN-CTA seeing Air Malta starting CTA from SEN.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 22:19
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Menzies is very strong and by far the biggest handler at LHR but yes everywhere else they seem to be losing contracts right left and centre...the ground handling market in UK is becoming very fragmented with smaller companies entering (Stobart, Azzurra, Premier Handling etc) still think Dnata is the one to watch... a big global player with very deep pockets.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 22:40
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Are we sure on the CTA flights as there don't appear to be any gaps in the timetable on Monday and Friday to fit those in.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 22:42
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It’s in GDS and on Catania airport website so can only go off the information provided. Maybe an existing flight will be shuffled to accommodate it as there are still gaps in the based aircraft schedules.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 22:50
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I agree that there are gaps for based aircraft but not to fit those flights unless as you say other flights are moved around. Mind you Monday and Friday are very tight
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 22:51
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Hopefully find out in time but as said only reporting what I can see.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 22:59
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Menzies is very strong and by far the biggest handler at LHR but yes everywhere else they seem to be losing contracts right left and centre...the ground handling market in UK is becoming very fragmented with smaller companies entering (Stobart, Azzurra, Premier Handling etc) still think Dnata is the one to watch... a big global player with very deep pockets.
Several times MAN has gone from multiple Handling agents to only a few with near monopolies and back again. Neither seem to work well. When there are multiple handling agents, each one has to hire/buy equipment/staff/rent office space etc... and with out the economies of scale (Airlines will only pay crumbs these days), they struggle to make any return on investment. When there are near monopolies (Swissport/Menzies), the handling agents struggle to cope with the volume of work and just end up giving a very poor service. High staff turnover/Lack of training/poor equipment/low pay/ lack of suitable crew rest areas... I could go on are the norm these days outside of LHR.

Dnata at MAN have so far offered little. They even got an improvement notice from one of their customers once, I think they were called Emirates !
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 23:18
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The unregulated ground handling market at MAN has been a dismal failure. Can anyone honestly say that an open door policy (enforced by EU Directive) has led to a better customer experience than if it were limited to say, 3 providers? That number, to me would seem about the right level at a 25-30 mppa airport to offer competition but a viable volume of work for each provider. It has become ridiculously fragmented now at MAN, with 7 or 8 players (I have lost count). Market economics does not seem to be able to work it out for the better. The race to the bottom is over and no-one has won, certainly not the passenger waiting forever for their bags in reclaim.
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 23:45
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Really? EU Directive? Which one would that be?
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Old 18th Feb 2018, 23:51
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Probably referring to EU Directive 96/67/EC of 15 October 1996 "on access to the groundhandling market at Community airports"

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Old 19th Feb 2018, 00:09
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Yes, that one. Good intentions, and all that.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 01:44
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You could argue the EU side but given MAN's size and uniqueness in Europe is equally a part of the cause. You will only see 3-4 at most major airports in Europe either because based carriers have such a major market share (40-50%) or self handle. MAN have 4-5 big but medium sized carriers who are probably spread across most handles there while the rest don't really matter.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 08:10
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Thanks. And if anyone has bothered to read it, the Directive (not regulation, btw) makes provision for ground handlers to be “authorised” and that at airports with over 5m pax pa there are a minimum of two providers to choose from.

It does not create an open house.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 11:43
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But you have not taken into account the UK Regulations that flowed from this. Here's what the CAA say

The Airports (Groundhandling) Regulations 1997 (GHRs)
The CAA has powers under the GHRs which implemented the European directive on access to the ground handling market at Community airports. The directive is intended to liberalise handling at EU airports.

The Airports (Groundhandling) Regulations 1997 (consolidated)
Airports with over 2 million passengers a year cannot limit the number of third party suppliers of ground handling services without permission from the CAA. The same applies at airports with more than 1 million passengers a year in relation to self-handling airport users.

Limitations may be granted, for example, on the grounds of safety, security, capacity or available space constraints at the airport concerned.

Airports can apply to the CAA for the number of third-party suppliers or self-handling airport users to be limited.
See here for the exemption guidelines
https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...ulations-1997/

This was a very time consuming and expensive process that the airport looked at very carefully before deciding not to proceed to ask for exemption. In addition, at the time, the Airport were fully economically regulated by the same people (CAA Economic Regulation Group or some such) and the airlines were not in favour of any limitation; perhaps their view was coloured by the fact that the Airport had until not long before done most of the manual handling at least.

The airport was worried that it would become a free for all and so it has proved. The race to the bottom had begun.

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Old 19th Feb 2018, 12:05
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UK regulations are often tighter and more pointless than anything the EU brings in, our people take them too far. (See also Security at MAN T3)
For example, to help deaf and blind people, trains are meant to have announcements and dynamic signage that assists them, the law rightly says their needs must be taken "into account". So on some local stopping trains, the automated announcements callout 20+ stations on the route, then proceed to the "now approaching station" call only to repeat. Heathrow Connect is the worst offender in London with 30+ PA's between Paddington and Heathrow. I got the BHX-London stopping service once and lost count. This is not an EU regulation as such, it's a narrow UK view on a sensible rule, and I am no fan of the EU tbh. If it was illegal not to do this, then it would happen on the Tube and there would a be a riot (!)

The days when Britannia had a UK handling agent in Servisair and some contingency in manpower are long gone. easyJet and the locos, have been joined by BA in being ruthless in cost cutting in ground handling. There's just no way to make money over the medium term as you have to cut to the bone each year just to get through another season. This is the reason you get the same employees often TUPEd over again and again, as nothing changes, because it can't and people get demoralised.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 17:23
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This new route to CTA is showing on the CTA website. However it has the same flight numbers as the new PMO flights from MAN. They are on the same days and the timings are one to two hours apart.

Unless some flights are substantially changed on Monday and Friday I can't see how this new CTA flight can be fitted in to the timetable as there just isn't room.

Could it be that FR was going to do CTA but changed it to PMO instead
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 20:31
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Couldn't agree more. Well done to Jet2 for breaking with recent convention.
Insourcing is the new outsourcing don't you know

The only people that make money out of outsourcing are lawyers.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 11:37
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Could not agree more FF. If anyone needs a lesson in outsourcing and the race to the cheapest is best, just look at the current Fiasco with KFC & DHL .

As far as MAN goes, of the low cost operators, without doubt, Jet2 wins hands down. In terms of check in, baggage claim & everything else -simply the best. Same applies in PMI.- Who handles Jet 2 at these places ? Jet2 of course. Their fate is in their own hands. Well done.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 12:52
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The irony being that DHL have recently started handling EasyJet at LGW and are apparently impressing everyone with how it's working so far.
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Old 20th Feb 2018, 19:45
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Have I missed anyone from the MAN-handlers? (In no particular order....)

Swissport
Dnata
Menzies
Aviator
Jet 2
Premier
Airline Services

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