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Old 4th Feb 2018, 18:16
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Manchester Statistics - December 2017 (Part 1)

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

Edmonton appears for the first time, however I am slightly skeptical of the CAA data of 3 scheduled passengers.
Kharkov (Ukraine) was another newcomer with 565 charter passengers.

One domestic statistic are currently missing from the CAA report for December.

Belfast City has yet to provide figures

Total passengers for this route in December 2016 were 20,603

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics

Monthly passengers - 1,833,620 + 1.50%
Annual Total- 22,548,757
Moving Annual Total - 27,791,274 + 8.51

Monthly Movements - 13,993 -3.12%
Annual Movements - 161,259
Moving Annual Movements - 203,631 + 5.96%


Manchester Statistics -December 2017 (Part 2)

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers

DUBAI................................................ 92,006
DUBLIN.............................................. 85,402
AMSTERDAM..................................... 80,314
HEATHROW....................................... 61,337
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............. 61,110
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............. 54,060
FRANKFURT....................................... 41,180
ABU DHABI......................................... 40,617
ALICANTE........................................... 38,772
ARRICIFE............................................ 31,645
MUNICH............................................. 30,055
COPENHAGEN.................................... 28,997
DOHA................................................. 28,800
ORLANDO.......................................... 28,309
BERLIN (SCHONEFELD)....................... 27,611
KEFLAVIK............................................ 26,380
MALAGA............................................ 26,337
GENEVA............................................. 24,772
BELFAST INTERNATIONAL.................. 24,447
BRIDGETOWN.................................... 23,195
LAS PALMAS....................................... 22,411
HAMBURG.......................................... 22,156
ISTANBUL............................................ 20,709
DUSSELDORF...................................... 19,319
FUERTAVENTURA............................... 19,306

CAA statistics for December are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - December 2017 (Part 3)

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.

Destination......................................Total Pax....Schedule Pax....Charter Pax....Percentage change
COLOGNE.......................................... 16,195........... 16,195.................... 0.................. 160.119
ANTALYA.............................................. 3,693............. 3,098............... 595.................. 118.78
AGADIR................................................ 6,882............. 6,882................... 0................... 110.073
TORONTO............................................ 4,258.............. 4,218................. 40.................. 102.762
SALZBURG........................................... 4,381.............. 3,025............. 1,356.................. 93,0807
ST LUCIA.............................................. 2,456............. 2,456.................. 0.................... 74,6799
HOUSTON............................................ 5,399............. 5,399.................... 0.................. 72.3819
VERONA................................................. 862..................... 0................ 862.................. 62.0301
CHAMBERY.......................................... 2,619................. 570............. 2,049.................. 56.2649
FRANKFURT........................................ 41,180........... 41,180.................... 0.................. 44.0465
HURGHADA........................................ 10,485........... 10,485.................... 0.................. 43,7877
HONG KONG...................................... 14,443........... 14,443.................... 0................... 40.5508
PAPHOS.............................................. 16,177........... 13,185............. 2,992.................. 39,517
OSLO (GARDEMOEN)......................... 11,729........... 11,729.................... 0.................. 39.2166
BASLE................................................... 9,863............. 9,863.................... 0.................. 39.2096
NANTES................................................ 1,568............. 1,568.................... 0.................. 38.884
GLASGOW............................................ 3,538............. 3,528................... 10................. 35.4518
GOA.................................................... 13,530............ 9,840............... 3,690................. 35.2865
ROVANIEMI........................................ 12,005............ 6,010............... 5,995................. 32.9752
HELSINKI............................................. 11,683.......... 11,683...................... 0................. 32.7463
KUUSAMO............................................... 999................... 0.................. 999................. 31.9683
BILBAO................................................. 4,412............. 4,412..................... 0.................. 30.9976
GDANZ................................................. 4,359.............. 4,359.................... 0.................. 30.6655
RZESZOW............................................. 4,317.............. 4,317.................... 0.................. 28.8657
LARNACA............................................. 1,790.............. 1,790.................... 0.................. 28.592

CAA statistics for December are provisional.

Manchester Statistics - December 2017 (Part 4)

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.

Foreign_airport……..Total_Pax 2016……..Total Pax 2017……% change
VIENNA………………….. 8,111……….…………….. 7,937……………….. -2.14524
BRUSSELS……………… 18,174……………………. 18,613……………….. +2.41554
BEIJING………………….. 7,770 ………………….….. 5,577.………………. -28.2299
PRAGUE………………… 15,821……………………. 16,503…….…………. +4.31073
COPENHAGEN………. 28,218……………………. 28,997……………….. +2.76065
HELSINKI………………... 8,801…………….…….. 11,683………………… +32.7463
PARIS (CDG)………….. 55,451…………………… 54,060……………..... -2.50852
DUSSELDORF………… 21,999………..…………. 19,319……..………… -12.1824
FRANKFURT MAIN… 28,588……………………. 41,180….…………… +44.0465
MUNICH……………….. 27,819..…………………. 30,055………………. +8.03767
HONG KONG……….… 10,276….………………… 14,443.……….……. +40.5508
KEFLAVIK……………….. 21,519……………….….. 26,380….………….. +22.5893
DUBLIN………………….. 84,632………………….. 85,402………..…….. +0.90982
MILAN (MALPENSA).. 13,258…………………. 12,062……………….. -9.02097
ROME (FIUMICINO)….. 4,881..…………………. 6,751……………….. -27.6996
AMSTERDAM………….. 82,418………….…….. 80,314.…………….... -2.55284
ISLAMABAD……………. 21,325..……………..… 16,839….……………. -21.0363
LISBON…………………… 16,904………………….. 15,126………..…….. -10.5182
DOHA…………………….. 30,650…………………… 28,800…………..….. -6.03589
JEDDAH…………………... 9,845…………………….. 9,741………………. -1.05637
SINGAPORE……………… 6,376…………………….. 7,425……………….. +16.4523
MADRID…………………. 12,766………………….. 10,865…..…………... -14.8911
STOCKHOLM (ARN)… 15,245………………….. 15,781..………………. +3.51591
GENEVA…………………. 23,341………………….. 24,772….………....... +6.13084
ZURICH………………….. 14,581………………….. 13,593.. ………………. -6.77594
ABU DHABI…………….. 34,892……………….…. 40,617…..…………... +16.4078
DUBAI…………………….. 84,629.…………………. 92,006………………... +8.71687
ATLANTA………………… 12,443…….……………... 5,725…………………. -53.9902
CHICAGO…..…………….. 7,146…………………….. 7,267..………………. +1.69326
HOUSTON………………… 3,132 ……………………. 5,399…………………. +72.3819
NEW YORK (JFK)……… 20,834…………………… 15,864…………..……. -23.8552
NEW YORK (NEWARK)10,637…………………… 11,819..………………. +11.1122
PHILADELPHIA………… 11,301…………………… 11,516……..…………. +1.90249
HEATHROW……………. 57,474…………………… 61,337……….………….+6.7213

CAA statistics for December are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - December 2017 (Part 5)

Comparison of top 25 destinations - December 2007 versus December 2017

Foreign airport...........................December-07...........December-17
HEATHROW....................................... 80,294..................... 61,337
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............ 61,271...................... 61,110
DUBLIN.............................................. 56,851..................... 85,402
AMSTERDAM..................................... 45,054..................... 80,314
DUBAI................................................ 42,210..................... 92,006
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............ 40,391...................... 54,060
ALICANTE.......................................... 36,420...................... 38,772
GATWICK........................................... 32,930...................... 121
MALAGA............................................ 31,728...................... 26,337
ARRECIFE........................................... 30,601...................... 31,645
ORLANDO.......................................... 30,498...................... 28,309
FRANKFURT....................................... 29,721...................... 41,180
SHARM EL SHEIK................................ 25,459...................... 0
LAS PALMAS...................................... 22,873....................... 22,411
CHICAGO (O'HARE)............................ 22,062...................... 7,267
BELFAST CITY..................................... 21,048...................... TBA
PAPHOS............................................. 18,995....................... 16,177
FUERTEVENTURA.............................. 18,819....................... 19,306
PRAGUE............................................. 18,565...................... 16,503
NEW YORK (NEWARK)....................... 17,897...................... 11,819
ISLAMABAD........................................ 17,629..................... 16,839
EDINBURGH....................................... 17,544...................... 9,340
NEW YORK (JFK)................................. 17,469..................... 15,864
SINGAPORE........................................ 16,488...................... 7,425
BRIDGETOWN.................................... 15,467..................... 23,195

CAA statistics for December are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - December 2017 (Part 6)

Major changes to Domestic traffic

Edinburgh - 9,340 +19.3763%
Exeter- 9,681 +19.6811%
Glasgow - 3,538 +35.4518%
Heathrow- 61,337 +6.7213%
Isle of Man - 13,108 +6.49119%
Newquay - 5,532 +21.5824%
Norwich - 1,477 -9.66361%
Southampton - 17,455 +11.4481%

CAA statistics for December are provisional
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 20:19
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Saudia RUH slots were pulled a few weeks ago for Summer 2018. Will be x5 JED.

EZY T2 five extra won't be happening, they will be adding a couple into T1 making x14 based from end of July.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 22:39
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
Ah well fair enough but with all due respect WTF do you know about flying every week out of Manchester Airport sat behind your keyboard in rural East Anglia?

Ahhh, but is he ?

The rest of your post is interesting and informative, just a shame about the rant.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 05:54
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By all means be critical of any airline and yes the points are valid however they were very specific and more appropriate for jet blast ?

The geo political China discussion was highly interesting and whilst it was in the context of Manchester, it was highly relevant to Birmingham, Edinburgh and possibly what is my own local airport Stansted.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 07:20
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Totally agree with you re Hainan. I also travel into China and also "Stans" and always use LH for the long haul work if just going into China,though have obviously used Hainan within China. Can honestly say I prefer LH by some margin and obviously sometimes use EK or even SQ if I have other projects to visit out East. With regards to arm chair travellers / key board wordsmiths I think you have to be tolerant, as after all as you say we are the "lucky ones" who get to go to these places, and fly these routes - I keep telling myself that every time Mrs Mac bends my ear about having another extended trip, or things go Pear shaped while I am half a world away !
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 07:48
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Originally Posted by Abbots12 View Post
EZY T2 five extra won't be happening, they will be adding a couple into T1 making x14 based from end of July.
Are you speculating Abbots12, or do you know this for sure? Just curious.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 08:21
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Easyjet have handed back most of their extra slots, only holding enough for 14 based now.

Cabin crew training is also backed up (Air Berlin training taking up bulk of the spaces) so won’t have the quantity to operate 17 based aircraft.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 10:03
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TG have been talking about MAN for at least 25 years because I went to a launch dinner in Manchester one year and I have been out of travel 15 years so don`t expect
them in a hurry.
Speaking of which,

"This morning Andy [Burnham] welcomed His Excellency Mr Pisanu Suvanajata, Thai Ambassador to the United Kingdom and Ireland @ThaiEmbLondon, to @greatermcr.

Topics for discussion included UK-Thailand international trade cooperation and the Eastern Economic Corridor."
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 12:39
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
Frankly, I think the best chance of Beijing being the success it could be is Air China....ditto Shanghai - you get your Star points and arrive at a proper terminal.
FWIW, I'll be heading that way again in May...with Lufthansa.
An interesting post, I am yet to experience Hainan albeit I have similar "remote" experiences at some of the middle eastern hubs, where MAN is supposed to be a relatively major market.

I suppose this shows where MAN is, and one of its main weaknesses is the lack of a hub carrier in one of the major alliances which brings a concentration of Frequent Flyers under one banner. Until that changes, there are always advantages in routing through one of the major alliances hubs to get the proper treatment. I suspect this is why CX and SQ continue to perform in the Far East - you get what you pay for.

I forget who mentioned the political issues with Air China, but it would be disappointing if those held back what could be a successful and presumably slicker operation at Shanghai than Hainan at Beijing.

Worth remembering for India, as Mr Mac has mentioned (and I agree) I'd not pick Air India over the gulf carriers, and the same applies for a loco solution. I assume many more would also make that decision.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 12:41
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Nothing like trying to grab hold of the tail that wags the TG dog!
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 17:25
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If an Indian operator started a route, I doubt I would be on it. Emirates every time. The only potential carrier that could make a MAN-India route work is Virgin. I would use that as a known entity. You never know.

Easyjet
This opinion won't be popular here but I'm rather glad that EZY won't be expanding in T1 at the suggested rate although I'm still nervous about an extra 2 based. Reason? T1 departures cannot cope first thing. I was out with Lufty on the first morning wave on Sunday morning and the check-in area was chaos.....in February! What would it be like in July?
It's worth remembering that the check in area is pretty much the same thing that was built in 1974 - it's tiny when you look at it.

Mr Mac
Sounds like we have very similar lives! Not as glamorous as people think hey?
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 18:06
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I agree with you on all your points.
T1 & T3 are an endurance rather than an experience.
I've done a number of CX trips to HKG and Im pretty sure I'll be reverting to EK, non stop isn't always everything.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 22:57
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Have any of the longhaul posters here ever travelled to China via Helsinki? Obviously a more direct route than any of the ME3, even than LH.
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Wouldn’t TCX be a good option for a direct India / BKK route?
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 06:35
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From a leisure perspective, why not.

From a business perspective, no. This is partly because of the product, but also because TCX are not in an alliance (therefore no accumulation of points and other connecting opportunities), TCX would be unlikely to offer sufficient frequency to those destinations and also do not have a wide enough network to encourage business flyers to shift their custom from (e.g.) One World, Star, Skyteam.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 06:37
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If an Indian operator started a route, I doubt I would be on it. Emirates every time. The only potential carrier that could make a MAN-India route work is Virgin. I would use that as a known entity. You never know
Agree VS would be ideal, but unlikely.

However, from the Indian side, what about Jet, or perhaps Vistara when it starts up?
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 07:46
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In the news today.

Jet Airways has stated that it is looking to start flights to another U.K. city, with Manchester and Birmingham as options.

I feel MAN may be more likely however, as the MAN-BOM market is larger than BHX (BOM being Jet’s main hub), MAN is the divert alternative in the U.K. and there is the Virgin partnership to exploit also.

Secondly, IndiGo has applied to serve LGW/MAN/BHX in the U.K from Oct 2018, but BHX May get that one if they are serious about taking over Air India’s long haul network. (Of course, by applying for the 3 U.K. airports they may have the intention to start all 3?)
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 08:51
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SpiceJet? Slots, flight numbers, etc. but other factors derailed this ambition.

MAN is the divert alternative in the U.K.
= 1 in Nov 2011.

Can anyone recall why the Air India flight didn't last? Politics or yield?
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 09:23
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Planes don`t divert much now except for medical problems
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 10:13
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That's a whole separate subject - MAN still takes approx 150 diversions a year even with strict 'no div' NOTAMS, etc.

What I'm saying is that a diversion alternate contract rarely results in anything and Jet Airways usually clears off to AMS if problems at LHR.
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