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Old 28th Jul 2019, 17:10
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Just to add to Scotties post one you get off the pier it is only tempory anyway so no walkways
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 13:36
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This relentless want to complain about actually having to walk.

It seems some people lose the use of their legs once they arrive at an airport.

I wonder how many have flown through LHR T3, HKG, et al for fair comparison. It can take over 20 minutes to walk from, say, Gate 71 to Immigration at HKG.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 13:47
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Originally Posted by 160to4DME View Post
This relentless want to complain about actually having to walk.

It seems some people lose the use of their legs once they arrive at an airport.

I wonder how many have flown through LHR T3, HKG, et al for fair comparison. It can take over 20 minutes to walk from, say, Gate 71 to Immigration at HKG.
I just had a right good chuckle when I read your reply. PPRuNe's Manchester thread is infamous for whingers. You would think people would be delighted to have the opportunity to increase their daily step count, especially as everyone seems to be wearing exercise fitbits these days.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 14:43
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Originally Posted by 160to4DME View Post
This relentless want to complain about actually having to walk.

It seems some people lose the use of their legs once they arrive at an airport.

I wonder how many have flown through LHR T3, HKG, et al for fair comparison. It can take over 20 minutes to walk from, say, Gate 71 to Immigration at HKG.
You might be right about the new T2, but when using the Skylink to get to the station, the state of the travelators and the extent of the works around them means that there is little room left and walking isn't a straight forward option!

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Old 30th Jul 2019, 09:29
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Originally Posted by 160to4DME View Post
This relentless want to complain about actually having to walk.

It seems some people lose the use of their legs once they arrive at an airport.

I wonder how many have flown through LHR T3, HKG, et al for fair comparison. It can take over 20 minutes to walk from, say, Gate 71 to Immigration at HKG.
I'm pretty familiar with HKG, you omit to mention the almost continuous walkways, escalators, lifts and shuttle train between gates along with golf cart buggies. These are rarely broken.
Many international long haul pax may have been travelling in excess of 20 hours, may have multiple kids, walking difficulties, along with their carry on etc.
The " hey up, oop north now, get walkin" view hardly reflects an international standard, merely suggests a lack of inspiration to be the best. It's grim up north seems to be the mantra.
Incidentally, I was not complaining but merely asking the question if more walkways were to be installed or was what provided "it" under the new refurb. Streuth so touchy you MAN fans that you can't even ask a question on here.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 09:39
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During the 20 years I was travelling into and out of Hong Kong on a frequent basis, sometimes a couple of times a week, I never saw an escalator or a walkway out of service. Guess its down to the quality of what was installed in the first place and having an on-site service team as they must do with the number of escalators they operate. Incidentally, it was highly unusual to see an escalator out of service anywhere in Hong Kong whether it was in a mall or the kilometre long Central Escalator which goes uphill most of the day except for a short period during during morning rush hour when it reverses.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 00:04
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Originally Posted by HKGBOY View Post
The " hey up, oop north now, get walkin" view hardly reflects an international standard, merely suggests a lack of inspiration to be the best. It's grim up north seems to be the mantra.
Incidentally, I was not complaining but merely asking the question if more walkways were to be installed or was what provided "it" under the new refurb. Streuth so touchy you MAN fans that you can't even ask a question on here.
I'm hardly a fan of MAN - in fact a regular critic but I think you answered your own point in the last sentence.
You probably don't walk around HK pulling your eyes to the side and saying 'ah so' in a funny accent. If you did you would probably get a well earned smack in the mouth - or worse. Why then do you think it's ok to post a set of offensive cultural (and inaccurate) stereotypes on the Manchester thread? What would you think if someone posted something offensive and inaccurate about whatever place you come from?
Grow up.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 03:24
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
I'm hardly a fan of MAN - in fact a regular critic but I think you answered your own point in the last sentence.
You probably don't walk around HK pulling your eyes to the side and saying 'ah so' in a funny accent. If you did you would probably get a well earned smack in the mouth - or worse. Why then do you think it's ok to post a set of offensive cultural (and inaccurate) stereotypes on the Manchester thread? What would you think if someone posted something offensive and inaccurate about whatever place you come from?
Grow up.
The thrust of his point was that travellators and other similar facilities don't break down at HKG with anything like the monotony they do at MAN.

Having travelled extensively and repeatedly through both I can only agree.

The answer that it takes 3 months to order a custom four spoke sprocket is unappetizing.

These facilities aren't new.

Even assuming ongoing provision of parts somehow randomly wasn't included in the original contract to supply, they must be able to know by now the frequency with which four spoke sprockets break.

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Old 31st Jul 2019, 11:59
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The point s/he is making is understood - it's just the offensive stereotyping that I am calling him/her out on. It is unacceptable on a public forum.

HKG's facilities are newer than MAN's and had the benefit of almost unlimited government financial support to turn it into the flagship facility that it is. Manchester on the other hand has no government support - it's on its own and has to make investments on a rate of return basis. You get what you pay for.
That is not to excuse it - but it explains it.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 12:20
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
The point s/he is making is understood - it's just the offensive stereotyping that I am calling him/her out on. It is unacceptable on a public forum.

HKG's facilities are newer than MAN's and had the benefit of almost unlimited government financial support to turn it into the flagship facility that it is. Manchester on the other hand has no government support - it's on its own and has to make investments on a rate of return basis. You get what you pay for.
That is not to excuse it - but it explains it.
According to the Guinness book of world records, Hong Kong's New Airport is the most expensive airport ever built costing $20 billion dollars. Comparing Manchester airport to Hong Kong's new airport is a little unfair in my opinion. Manchester Airport can never compete in terms of infrastructure and maintenance with rich state funded airport projects.
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Old 31st Jul 2019, 12:28
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I think the point is MAN has become a little more connected with tales of broken lifts and escalators then perhaps other airports as it is often mentioned on this site but not noticeably on others, unless I am missing something.

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Old 31st Jul 2019, 17:33
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Broken lifts and escalators may be the least of their problems at the moment, with a taxiway and apron area flooded and aircraft diverting.
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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 23:57
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Changes to SID

Today the easterly SID south seems to be different than usual. Looking at tracks instead of heading for Congleton aircraft have been continuing a clockwise south westerly turn to take them over towards Sandbach before an easterly turn back to Congleton,

temporary or permanent? Avoids Prestbury? Is Boris there perhaps?
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 13:30
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Could be avoiding Wx? Alternatively turning downwind to get above a/c coming off DAYNE. If the inbounds turn before DAYNE it makes sense to do that, saves the departures flogging across Cheshire at 5000' for 10-15nm. The DAYNE hold should ideally have been placed 5nm closer to the TNT VOR.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 14:51
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Manchester Statistics - June 2019

Introduction
Back in September 2015 I decided that I should start to correlate statistics for Manchester and use 2005 as a reference point for historical data. My file now consists of 14 years of monthly figures and 486 destinations that have been served from Manchester over that period.

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.
Poitiers was a new destinations served in June 2019.

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,049,656 passengers

The following domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for June.
Neither Belfast International nor Exeter have reported for this month
In June 2018 these accounted for 36,667 passengers.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers - 2,966,156 +3.70%
Annual Total - 8,001,639 +5.69%
Moving Annual Total - 29,088,586 +3.85%

Monthly Movements - 19,380 +1.53%
Annual Movements - 54,546 +1.83%
Moving Annual Movements - 202,662 +0.44%

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers


Top destinations with highest percentage increase.


Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.


Comparison of top 25 destinations - June 2009 versus June 2019


Major changes to Domestic traffic


CAA statistics for June are provisional.

As a separate item I have now started to analyze June's statistics to obtain load factors on certain routes


Calculations are based of FlightRadar24 for days of flight operation, Planespotter.net for Seat Plans and CAA data for monthly figures.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 15:14
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MANTP Update #101 dated 26th July - courtesy of the MANTP Team, to whom full credit is given.

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Old 7th Aug 2019, 19:51
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MANTP Update #102 dated 2nd August from the MANTP Team - to who full credit is given:

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 19:29
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I really don't understand the rationale of BA and the LHR route. The decline is relentless, but I am not convinced it is down to lack of demand rather than a concerted effort on the part of BA to reduce capacity; but why ?

I fly the route twice weekly. Invariably, both ways, it is announced that the flight is full, be it an A319 or A321.

So why does BA not schedule an A321 on the 319 routes which are always full ?

I think the success of domestic Club Europe has caught them somewhat on the hop; many times on an A320, the curtain can be back at row 12.

One can only hope with forward planning, next year's schedule sees more A321s on the route.

The demand is there; BA just aren't meeting it right now.
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