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Old 19th Feb 2019, 08:48
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How is the first day of the DHL handling going?
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 15:26
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New FR Route MAN - PIS

New Ryanair route: MAN - Poitiers 2 weekly (Sun/Wed) from 5th June 19.
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Old 19th Feb 2019, 15:46
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VS680/681 MAN-DXB-MAN G-VXLG. Just noticed this on FR24 return today after flying out yesterday. Was it a special charter?

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Old 20th Feb 2019, 14:25
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VS680/681 MAN-DXB-MAN G-VXLG. Just noticed this on FR24 return today after flying out yesterday. Was it a special charter?

P&O cruise related
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Old 20th Feb 2019, 14:29
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One-to-one with Robert Smith, Head of Aviation Development, Manchester Airport

Bangkok, Shanghai, Delhi. All the usual suspects.

Didn't mention Kuwait.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 19:01
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OAN 17/2019 – MAN-TP PP04 CONSTRUCTION OF NEW TAXIWAY ECHO (Phase 3)
OAN REF:- 17/2019 DATE OF ISSUE:- 20/02/19 EFFECTIVE DATE:- 10/03/19 EXPIRY DATE:- 19/11/19
1.0 SUMMARY
1.1 A programme of up to 9 months work, in two phases, to construct the PP04 new Taxiway Echo. For the first phase one of the works, Taxiways Alpha and Charlie will be closed H24 at Intermediate Holding Points (IHPs) A4, A5, C1 and C2. For the second phase of the works Taxiway Charlie will be closed H24 at IHP C2.
2.0 PROGRAMME
2.1 The overall programme of work will commence at 20:00hrs local on Sunday 10th March 2019 until 06:00hrs local on Tuesday 19th November 2019.
2.1.1 Phase 1 will commence on Sunday 10th March until 06:00hrs on Thursday 18th April 2019.
2.1.2 Phase 2 will commence on Sunday 10th March until 06:00hrs on Tuesday 19th November 2019.
2.2 The nightly working hours will be 20:00hrs to 06:00hrs local.
2.3 Site set up will commence on Sunday 10th March 2019 with the welfare cabins being relocated from Taxiway Kilo between 8 th and 14th March.
3.0 SCOPE & LOCATION OF WORKS
3.1 Work will be located within an enclosed and demarked work area on Taxiways Alpha and Charlie between IHPs A4, A5, C1 &C2.
3.2 The overall scope of works will encompass the following:
• Site Clearance associated with the removal of existing airfield infrastructure.
• Excavation of existing grassed area and construction of proposed pavement.
• Installation of surface water drainage including attenuation.
• Installation of new Primary & Secondary AGL ducting.
• Reconfiguration of existing taxiways.
• Installation of various taxiway signage & surface markings.
4.0 OPERATIONAL IMPLICATIONS
4.1 Taxiway Closures and Restrictions
4.1.1 Taxiways Alpha and Charlie, between IHPs A4, A5, C1 and C2 will be closed H24 from 20:00hrs on the night of Sunday 10th March 2019, for the duration of the first phase of works. Paragraph 2.1.1 refers.
4.1.2 Taxiway Charlie, at IHP C2, will remain closed H24 for the second phase of works until 06:00hrs on Tuesday 19th November 2019. Paragraph 2.1.2 refers.
4.1.3 The closed sections of taxiways will be demarked by lit barriers and unlit taxiway centrelines.
4.1.4 Taxiway Bravo between IHP B4 and IHP B5 remains downgraded to a Code E Taxilane for the duration of the works.
4.1.5 Taxiway Bravo between IHP B4 and IHP B5 will be restricted to a maximum of ICAO Code C aircraft types (B739/A32B) 19:00-06:00 Sunday to Thursday inclusive, but will reopen as a Code E Taxilane each day. The fixed melba logs at 26m from Taxiway Bravo centreline, delineating the muster point, and the portable blast screens will remain in situ throughout the works.
4.1.6 Taxiway Bravo will reopen as ICAO Code F capable between IHP B2 and IHP B3 from 06:00hrs local on Friday 8th March 2019.
4.1.7 Taxiway Kilo will reopen between IHP K4 and IHP K5 as ICAO Code F taxiway from 06:00hrs local on Friday 15th March 2019.
4.1.8 NB. Promulgated restrictions remain: No Code F aircraft between B2 and B3 if aircraft on Taxiway Kilo west of K4.
4.1.9 Drawings attached to this document show the overall area of taxiway closures whilst the work is in progress.
4.2 Compass Swing Base
4.2.1 The Compass Swing Base facility will be withdrawn from use for the duration of the works.
4.3 Engine Test Bay & Open-field Testing 4.3.1 For the duration of the works the use of the Engine Test Bay remains available during the published times. Access will be via IHP B2 onto Taxiway Alpha. It should be noted that there is no painted centreline from B2 north on to Taxiway Alpha towards IHP A4.
4.3.2 All movements to and from the ETB must be carried out under the safety oversight of an Airfield Operations Safety Officer (ASCO) who will move the mobile barrier at the Alpha/Bravo junction prior to any movement to and from the ETB.
4.3.3 Aircraft larger than ICAO Code C (A321/B739) should be towed towards A3 and pushed back tail first along TWY Alpha in to the ETB. When towed from the ETB, the aircraft may be towed towards the WIP at IHP A4, pushed tail back towards IHP A3 and then towed forwards along TWY Bravo to its allocated stand. It should be noted that this manoeuvre cannot be carried out if there is an aircraft parked on the taxiway between Signature and A4.
4.3.4 The facility to carry out open-field testing will remain available but will be coordinated tactically by the ADM on the day. Time restrictions will apply.
4.4 Signature Aviation Apron – Aircraft Access/ Egress
4.4.1 Whilst work takes place at IHP A4, access/egress to/from the Signature Aviation apron will be via Taxiways Bravo and Alpha, west of IHP A4.
4.4.2 A barrier will be placed at the junction of TWY’s Alpha and Bravo to prevent aircraft taking an incorrect routing into the closed area. Airfield Operations will remove the barrier for any aircraft movements to/from Signature Aviation.
5.0 LOW VISIBILITY PROCEDURES (LVP)
5.1 Overall, the work has no impact on the airport’s ability to operate during periods of low visibility.
5.2 Work may continue during periods of low visibility at the ADM’s discretion.
6.0 FURTHER INFORMATION
6.1 A NOTAM(s) promulgating significant operational detail will be issued prior to the start of works.
6.2 An Aeronautical Information Package (AIP) supplement will been issued to provide further information.

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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 20:52
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Easyjet is increasing from August its MAN-ATH to daily and MAN-SKG to 4w..
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 11:42
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Anyone know what the KLM 777 was doing in this morning about 9ish?
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 11:52
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Originally Posted by ImPlaneCrazy View Post
Anyone know what the KLM 777 was doing in this morning about 9ish?
Another KLM repaint in Air Livery.

Air Livery, a MAN success story that doesn't get that much air time? They turnaround about 30+ (normally wide body) units every year. Will be 10 years this August since taking their first customer (RAF AWACS)
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:16
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Look out flyers - another piece of Manchester only 'we do it better / properly here' nonsense appears to have been launched.
Been through T3 and they now want laptop chargers taken out of bags and put into trays. The number of trays that you need now for a simple processing is laughable compared to other airports.
Other members of the team arrived from Heathrow and Dublin and nobody had experienced the same at those airports.
Prepare yourselves
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 10:46
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
Look out flyers - another piece of Manchester only 'we do it better / properly here' nonsense appears to have been launched.
Been through T3 and they now want laptop chargers taken out of bags and put into trays. The number of trays that you need now for a simple processing is laughable compared to other airports.
Other members of the team arrived from Heathrow and Dublin and nobody had experienced the same at those airports.
Prepare yourselves
The fact that they advise (SHOUT) of up to an hour wait time if your items need a secondary search is a complete joke too. Why Manchester Airport continues to have so many additional rules on top of the DfT is absurd. No wonder passengers (even frequent flyers) can never get the routine right when MAN airport impose ever changing differences.

A reply from the DfT about MAN security explains that they can implement additional criteria and rules on screening in what they feel necessary. So long as it complies to their minimum standards. So then, why does no other airport feel the need these additional "rules"? I then find that concerning. Either these other UK airports are not doing checks properly or MAN airports equipment and search procedure is not up to scratch...

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Old 26th Feb 2019, 18:26
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Oh dear... normally using LBA, where the security control is very efficient, we are due to use MAN in June. We fly MAN-LHR-SEZ with BA. Training it over the Pennines the day before and staying at the Radisson and with a 1230 deep to LHR, I am now not looking forward to the event, even in Club World. I am an experienced traveller and think I have made a mistake, via Schiphol would have been easier!
The truth remains to be seen... One lives and learns.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 03:32
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Originally Posted by zed3 View Post
Oh dear... normally using LBA, where the security control is very efficient, we are due to use MAN in June. We fly MAN-LHR-SEZ with BA. Training it over the Pennines the day before and staying at the Radisson and with a 1230 deep to LHR, I am now not looking forward to the event, even in Club World. I am an experienced traveller and think I have made a mistake, via Schiphol would have been easier!
The truth remains to be seen... One lives and learns.
That some random Billy in the world's 53rd busiest airport can make up their own standards for this stuff is a simple indication that it really isn't all that important. It isn't like we're discussing anything fundamental like road signs or drug safety standards, or so many other things that can actually kill people if we don't get them just right.

I would suggest taking your laptop charger out and putting it on a tray.

It seems far more proportionate than changing your travel plans.

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Old 27th Feb 2019, 19:15
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
Look out flyers - another piece of Manchester only 'we do it better / properly here' nonsense appears to have been launched.
Been through T3 and they now want laptop chargers taken out of bags and put into trays. The number of trays that you need now for a simple processing is laughable compared to other airports.
Other members of the team arrived from Heathrow and Dublin and nobody had experienced the same at those airports.
Prepare yourselves
I flew through Manchester twice in the last couple of weeks, no sign of having to take chargers out and no shouting, in fact very polite and efficient, so one would contend it is not always as bad as some make out.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 09:37
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Originally Posted by Turbine70 View Post
That some random Billy in the world's 53rd busiest airport can make up their own standards for this stuff is a simple indication that it really isn't all that important. It isn't like we're discussing anything fundamental like road signs or drug safety standards, or so many other things that can actually kill people if we don't get them just right.

I would suggest taking your laptop charger out and putting it on a tray.

It seems far more proportionate than changing your travel plans.
I'm sorry but that's simply not true. The experience at MAN does put people off, particularly at T3 where regional flights compete with other modes and the MAN issues are at there worst.

For example, i've been to Glasgow a number of times recently. My instinct is to fly and the cost is comparable to the train if not better. I did fly once and my experience was as follows - get train to airport, fine. Walk to T3 from station, ok but outside. Security - shouty, aggressive, long queues, don't look at your phone! get everything out, use more trays. Unpleasant. Get into Terminal - Nowhere to sit, barely anywhere to stand, queues at all of the bars and shops. Unpleasant.

So i got the train most of the time and FlyBe missed out on the money i wanted to give them.

For what it's worth, there were no queues for security at GLA on the way back, nor were there queues when i flew to Glasgow from London City recently or back from Belfast City either. At all three airports i carried my same work gear and at all three i was able to use fewer trays and was not shouted at.

Lets also not forget that many of MAN's passengers will have a choice of airports depending on where they are going. That could be LPL, BHX or even LHR for some destinations.

MAN (T3) puts people off and the airport need to address it.

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Old 28th Feb 2019, 11:09
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I departed MAN T3 for LHR on a BA Shuttle on the morning of 26th February, just hours before FFMAN posted his adverse comments about security there. I encountered no queue to speak of. No shouting. Staff were courteous. Processing routine. I was pulled aside for a pat-down search; MAN's full-body scanners identity perspiration patches as a potential security threat which is bizarre and inefficient. But I was still through everything in less than five minutes - no sweat ... well, just a bit apparently! Seating was available in the T3 lounge. I found catering outlets there to be of good standard and reasonably priced. Views across the airport are excellent.

I have flown through 451 airports across all continents bar Antarctica, around 25 in the last three months alone. I would rate the MAN user-experience in the top 25%. Not perfect, but where is? Even Singapore Changi, widely acclaimed as the world's best, has issues. Their security search is conducted at the departure gate shortly before boarding. In practice this means queuing in the corridor outside the gate lounge until the security staff turn up. Stunning architecture does not compensate for this. Nor does shopping. And it means you can't take drinks into the gate lounge and onto your flight. Kuala Lumpur's otherwise amazing terminal operates this system too. It's a total pain. At MAN, the security hassle comes early in the airport process ... once done, you can relax and enjoy the airport experience. That's a big plus. Don't take it for granted.

I'm bemused reading some of the hysteria posted on this thread. Where do these people fly to? How often? If they think negotiating security at MAN is challenging then they can't be well travelled. May I recommend changing planes at Casablanca? You haven't lived till you've tried that one! You'll never complain about MAN again.

Whingeing Poms, eh? Sorry, couldn't resist. We love ya really!!!
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 11:37
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I regret that as a frequent user of MAN, GavinC's comments are more likely to be accurate than someone who has flown from there on the odd occasion and possibly during a period between the low cost departure swarms.

Yes, it can be efficient, but when it is, we look at each other and say 'Why can't it be like this all the time?'

I flew through Luton at 0715 on the Sunday of half term. It was very very busy, but all the security lanes were open and we were through almost without waiting. Why could MAN not do this on the 24th December, when I suffered a one hour wait in line for security.Instead they had three lanes out of 12 open.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 13:04
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Where did I say I travel "on the odd occasion?" Those in the business fly frequently. I'm a regular at UK airports including transits through MAN well into three figures. All three terminals. All times of day.

The hysteria on this thread is out of all proportion to the reality.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 14:34
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Thanks Ozzy I don`t bother reading this much now as it is just a MAN bashing site
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 15:31
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Originally Posted by Espada III View Post
I regret that as a frequent user of MAN, GavinC's comments are more likely to be accurate than someone who has flown from there on the odd occasion and possibly during a period between the low cost departure swarms.

Yes, it can be efficient, but when it is, we look at each other and say 'Why can't it be like this all the time?'

I flew through Luton at 0715 on the Sunday of half term. It was very very busy, but all the security lanes were open and we were through almost without waiting. Why could MAN not do this on the 24th December, when I suffered a one hour wait in line for security.Instead they had three lanes out of 12 open.
I suspect its both in reality. T3 can be ok at times but its often rammed too particularly in the early evening when it can be a nightmare. My colleagues that visit from Belfast always travel back in the evening from T3 and regard MAN as the worst airport in the UK because of it. They have no choice but to fly of course. Others do have choices and the airport needs to address that.
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