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Old 13th Sep 2018, 18:12
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I suspect those who have had a decent holiday based on price, flight, hotel , food, climate will consider their options in 2019 and suggest that whilst the airport experience was shocking the rest of the holiday was great and when they consider their options in 2019 will confirm THAT holiday package is ONLY available from Manchester, and whilst avoidable delays should be avoided will they seriously look at the nearest competitors Birmingham Liverpool and Leeds ?
I doubt it. By way of example the Birmingham/long haul westbound offering has evaporated.

Rightly or wrongly the price conscious travelling public will look at cost and opportunities and that will be Manchester.

It is up to the landlords of the airport who are running the show as they pass through to get a grip.

As with most areas of complaint a good dollop of mischievous social media coverage usually gets someones attention although granted the parishioners in Olympic House all appear to be suffering a hearing impediment !

Thank God the "AIRPORT SPOKESMAN" isn't deaf. Ive never known someone so much in demand in fact I'm beginning to wonder if MAG have any senior managers such is their reticence to appear in front of camera.
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 06:56
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Just watched the head of MAG (Manchester Airports Group) talking about Brexit on BBC Breakfast saying that it will be a seamless transition through his airport's as it is now after when we leave. As somebody said in the intro of The Battle of Britain film 'whose he trying to kid'!
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 10:08
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo View Post
Just watched the head of MAG (Manchester Airports Group) talking about Brexit on BBC Breakfast saying that it will be a seamless transition through his airport's as it is now after when we leave. As somebody said in the intro of The Battle of Britain film 'whose he trying to kid'!
It all depends on what is agreed regarding Freedom of Movement as part of the Brexit negotiations. I suspect we will end up with a variation of the Norway model. In which case FoM will be preserved with the UK having no say in the EU and accepting all rules & regs and still paying in. I think most UK airlines will become majoity owned by EU countries to preserve EU landing rights. In the absence of any concrete ideas for delivering a good deal for the UK from hard Brexiters I think that will be it's legacy. Such is the Brexit phenomena but at least seemless travel should continue.
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 10:24
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I think most UK airlines will become majoity owned by EU countries to preserve EU landing rights.
In which case they won't be UK airlines.
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 10:45
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"....seamless as it is now" ? 😁
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 11:18
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
In which case they won't be UK airlines.
Exactly SWBKCB, The movement of UK companies to the EU where they will subsequently pay tax, invest snd employ locals is one of the many contradictory aspects of Brexit. We will have Blue passports though even if they will be made in France.

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Old 17th Sep 2018, 16:40
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FR1263 MAN/IBZ (15.43) was at 25k over BHX when it returned to MAN landing at 17.19
Was it the "usual" Ibiza problems or technical?
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 19:40
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Originally Posted by ssflyer View Post
FR1263 MAN/IBZ (15.43) was at 25k over BHX when it returned to MAN landing at 17.19
Was it the "usual" Ibiza problems or technical?
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What is /are the "usual" Ibiza problems please?
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Old 17th Sep 2018, 22:07
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Hmm. "Grown faster than any other UK-China route ..etc" Really? It is back to 4 per week this summer compared to daily last year, albeit with the larger A330-300. And it drops back to 3 per week for winter again. Doing OK, I would say, but not spectacular. And MAN-CAN slots have been withdrawn again. We need one of the networked alliance carriers on MAN-China if the undoubted potential of this market is to be fully realized.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 08:41
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Originally Posted by roverman View Post
Hmm. "Grown faster than any other UK-China route ..etc" Really? It is back to 4 per week this summer compared to daily last year, albeit with the larger A330-300. And it drops back to 3 per week for winter again. Doing OK, I would say, but not spectacular. And MAN-CAN slots have been withdrawn again. We need one of the networked alliance carriers on MAN-China if the undoubted potential of this market is to be fully realized.
Have to say I agree with that assessment.
In July 2016 (the first full month of the service I believe) the CAA stats showed a pax figure of 9,232 with an A333 at 4 x weekly. (292 seats)
In July 2017 with daily flights but a smaller a/c (213 seats on a B788?), the increase was 16% to 10,779 pax
In July 2018 back to 4 x weekly, pax were 7,687, a drop of 29% on July'17 and 17% from July'16.

I made the average load 214 in July this year, compared to over 250 in July 2016. So loads are still reasonable.
July may only be 1 month but passenger figures have been down every month since September '17 except for May this year. Frequency over last winter was reduced to 3 x weekly but the that presumably reflected demand.

As roverman suggests, would we be better with a network alliance carrier?

The MAN-PEK service and the importance of China links got good coverage on the main BBC NW News bulletins yesterday but the reality is we still await PVG and CAN which we are told have significant potential.

By way of contrast, CX continues to do remarkably well and it would be interesting to know how many of their passengers are for or from mainland China.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 08:41
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Originally Posted by Suzeman View Post
What is /are the "usual" Ibiza problems please?
A disruptively drunk woman, according to the MEN.
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Old 18th Sep 2018, 15:06
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Hainan

I think Manchester has suffered as a result of the HU woes BUT fundamentally the offering via London is much more joined up and more in tune with proper marketing.

The airport COULD TAKE the lead in joined up thinking re
airport, retail, tourist attractions , my God there are enough of them in marketing, but sadly the motivation to take the lead is absolutey non existent.

Nor does anyone seemingly have the nous in e.g. Visit Manchester Visit Cheshire Visit Liverpool VisitTheLakeDistrict etc to guide our attractions to make the offer more welcoming.

Since HU started I have come across one attraction which offers Chinese signage, Mandarin leaflets etc.

Utterly pathetic.

it's doubtful most attractions even realise we have a Chinese service such is the apathy.

I suspect this opportunty will wither away unless a Northern agency takes the opportunity by the balls.

...but hey boys and girls keep polishing that TTG award.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 06:53
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Don't forget the Aug/Sep far east figures will be slightly "skewed" due to the number of Asian students arriving.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 07:51
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Originally Posted by sptraveller View Post
If you heard that learning Mandarin is harder than German or French or Spanish, please don't believe it.

It isn't harder. It's just different.
Whilst I agree with the thrust of your post - I don't agree with the above. It Is harder to learn Mandarin than French or Spanish precisely because it is different.

I also agree with others here that have said that HU might not be the right carrier for the route. Having used it a few times at the beginning of the service - the first year and a bit - I have found that uncertainty about days of operation (and not daily) has got me using other alternatives these days.
One of the biggest downsides is that HU use the old terminal and you end up being parked in the middle of nowhere at 5 in the morning. Although this is acceptable for point to point, if, like me, you need to connect through T3, which is the new / main terminal, it is a looong bus ride. I concluded it was less hassle to arrive at T3 by plane even if it meant transferring at Helsinki or Frankfurt. The old T2 at Beijing is a bit of a scruffy old hole tbh and I have experienced some 'technical problems' whilst going through. Speaking to other British pax in the line waiting for ther C class check in to open - I know my views are not unique. In fact many were saying that they wouldn't use the service again. All of which is a shame since Hainan is actually a pretty good airline and stands up to comparisons with most western counterparts.

I think it does well with Chinese nationals and possibly those Brits of Chinese origin. My anecdotal observations: C class does ok loadwise with a predominance of non Chinese, down the back it is almost all people of Chinese appearance (tourists / students??)
Some of you may know that Andy Burnham (mayor) is in China this week with flights on his agenda.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 08:43
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Easyjet S19 doesn’t appear have to thrown out any surprises.

BCN goes daily from June, ATH from 4 to 5 weekly, LIS from 3 to 4 weekly, PRG from 6 to 7 weekly (PRG was 6 weekly this summer, then 9 weekly over winter so increase is based on S18 to S19).

One point to note is that SXF isn’t on sale for the Summer but I have heard that the route will operate to TXL instead, and thus will be announced as a ‘new route’ in November/December.

FAO seems to go from 4 weekly to 3 weekly and BFS seems to be just 2 daily most days, which is unlikely to stay that way.

given there will be 3 more aircraft to make 17 based, we can be sure there will be a lot of other changes to come.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 20:53
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR View Post
Easyjet S19 doesn’t appear have to thrown out any surprises.

BCN goes daily from June, ATH from 4 to 5 weekly, LIS from 3 to 4 weekly, PRG from 6 to 7 weekly (PRG was 6 weekly this summer, then 9 weekly over winter so increase is based on S18 to S19).

One point to note is that SXF isn’t on sale for the Summer but I have heard that the route will operate to TXL instead, and thus will be announced as a ‘new route’ in November/December.

FAO seems to go from 4 weekly to 3 weekly and BFS seems to be just 2 daily most days, which is unlikely to stay that way.

given there will be 3 more aircraft to make 17 based, we can be sure there will be a lot of other changes to come.
Thanks LAX-LHR much appreciated.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 20:55
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Anna.aero and other news outlets picking up on that fact that MAN-CAN was ‘announced’ at world routes by the chairman of Guangzhou airport. Will be served by Hainan.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 20:55
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Baggage handling

I have seen the attached shared on FB. Can anyone throw any light on this. Thanks.
https://www.facebook.com/665611933/posts/10156833568611934/
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 21:03
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If it's the baggage hurling rather than handling video, I saw it earlier and am aware of who filmed it. Disgraceful behaviour.
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