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Old 27th Jul 2018, 17:20
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Thomas Cook ending their long haul ops after this summer. The flights have always been full over the past 3 years, even when Orlando was 11 weekly S18. There is obviously demand from STN for these lesuire long haul flights, I presume one reason they're ending is because of a lack of aircraft with the air tankers going to Jet2?

Do we see any one else coming to fill the gap? Maybe Primeria to Orlando on the LR when they're delivered? Or even a Virgin service similar to Belfast and Glasgow?
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 17:30
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when it comes to long haul and people will travel further to the airport. I don't see of the traditional tour operators picking up the slack especially with Wizz and Primeria being in the market.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 08:24
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Poor STN is getting a real pounding by tv news channels this morning following last night's storms. The main complaints are the lack of airline and airport staff to provide info and guidance. It does appear to be very chaotic and does little to boost STN's reputation.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 08:34
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The main complaints are the lack of airline and airport staff to provide info and guidance.
Simple, you get what you pay for. I'm guessing most people flying out of STN are Ryanair customers who booked Ryanair because that ticket price looked oh so cheap. Well, it's cheap for a reason !
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 09:55
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Originally Posted by The96er
Simple, you get what you pay for. I'm guessing most people flying out of STN are Ryanair customers who booked Ryanair because that ticket price looked oh so cheap. Well, it's cheap for a reason !
The perception is yes Ryanair are cheaper in general. And you do get what you pay for. But in the summer holidays their is not a massive amount of difference in price between the airlines.
Just looked at prices for Majorca 07/08-14/08

Ryanair: £192 (STN)
Easyjet: £185 (STN)
Easyjet: £160 (LTN)
Norwegian: £150 (LGW)
British Airways £186 (LGW/LCY)

Minimal difference really, passengers in the summer just book what’s more convenient on price and availability. They don’t really care who they travel airline wise, as long as they have a holiday really.


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Old 28th Jul 2018, 12:44
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It’s a Ryanair problem - for example, all Jet2 went with no or minimal delay.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 14:53
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Sorry everyone, not our fault. Circumstances outside of our control. What are you talking about? Industrial action? No no no! Definitely cancelled due to extreme weather. Please leave now and take your crying brats with you. Hope to see you back at London Standstill Airport real soon.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 16:10
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It's funny how it's the airline's decision to cancel flights, the handling agent's failure to provide the staff, yet somehow it's the airport to blame.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 16:35
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New Airline: Pobeda

Russian Aeroflot low-cost subsidiary Pobeda to start new Stansted to Saint Petersburg (4x weekly) and Kaliningrad (3x weekly) from October 2018
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 16:51
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It’s a Ryanair problem - for example, all Jet2 went with no or minimal delay

So,if jet2 can do it,why oh why cant Ryanair??
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 17:41
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
Russian Aeroflot low-cost subsidiary Pobeda to start new Stansted to Saint Petersburg (4x weekly) and Kaliningrad (3x weekly) from October 2018
I thought there were restrictions on such routes, or has this changed? EZY and WZZ wanted to open up more routes but were knocked back by Russian UK agreements.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 17:45
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I'm not in the least surprised by the success of EK. STN is not just a London airport, it's the regional airport for a large and prosperous population. My late sister was a great world traveller and would have welcomed not having to get herself to LHR.
Emirates flies A380s out of LGW as well as LHR but like BHX, some are High Y and No F.
Given STN launched with the standard 77W with First, it’s a proper standout from almost evey other flight at the airport. As for yields, volume gives no clue.
But the catchment area is comparably much smaller than LHR/LGW, draw a circle with STN at the centre and you have a lot of green fields, fewer if you do so at LGW, and much fewer for LHR.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 18:15
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But the population of Cambridge/Peterborough is growing rapidly.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 18:20
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I thought there were restrictions on such routes, or has this changed? EZY and WZZ wanted to open up more routes but were knocked back by Russian UK agreements.
"Pobeda" will Fly to London :: Russia-InfoCentre
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Emirates flies A380s out of LGW as well as LHR but like BHX, some are High Y and No F.
Given STN launched with the standard 77W with First, it’s a proper standout from almost evey other flight at the airport. As for yields, volume gives no clue.
But the catchment area is comparably much smaller than LHR/LGW, draw a circle with STN at the centre and you have a lot of green fields, fewer if you do so at LGW, and much fewer for LHR.
Slight change of username there Skippness. Same old anti-Stansted rhetoric however

Clearly EK know what they’re doing with this route and it’s working for them. Watch it grow.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 18:48
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Emirates flies A380s out of LGW as well as LHR but like BHX, some are High Y and No F.
Given STN launched with the standard 77W with First, it’s a proper standout from almost evey other flight at the airport. As for yields, volume gives no clue.
But the catchment area is comparably much smaller than LHR/LGW, draw a circle with STN at the centre and you have a lot of green fields, fewer if you do so at LGW, and much fewer for LHR.
I had mixed feelings about Emirates coming to STN on wether it would be successful. I thought it would do well once the service had been established in the long term but the loads have taken me by surprise. I have been told that even First and Business is selling well, it's been overbooked in Y often in the past month. By anyones standards thats very good.

While I appreciate the point about STN having more 'green fields' than LHR or LGW, it's main benefit is being north of the M25 so in that respect it's catchment goes much further north towards the midlands and the entire East of England, the immediate area is generally very wealthy too. Bit sceptical regarding it going twice daily so soon, give it a year or two for itself to establish more then I can't see why not. STN has always been the sick man of London's airports, it was designed to have full service carriers then FR came along and changed it's image. The architecture is fantastic, it's a shame the infrastructure was left to rot under BAA whilst MAG is more focused on shops so hasn't spent a significant amount of money on improving it to encourage more full service.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 18:51
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Good news regarding Pobeda, too! I don't believe Kaliningrad is served from anywhere else in western Europe. Together with Laudamotion (FR Austria), this makes two new airlines joining the family in October.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 19:41
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Kaliningrad Perfect Entry/Exit point for Putins spy’s and henchman !

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Old 28th Jul 2018, 20:26
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It suddenly occurred to me that STN is the most convenient airport for Newmarket where many of the Sheiks keep their horses.
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Old 28th Jul 2018, 22:12
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Same old anti-Stansted rhetoric however
I'm sorry but I am a marketing analyst, it's my day job. It's not football and I don't have a team, I merely point out that Emirates at STN is quite an outlier by some way when you look at almost every other flight at STN. I also note that EK have use different configured aircraft at LHR vs. LGW and also that STN will have a 77W with F service when the overwhelming majority of it's demographics is predicated on lowest cost fares. I hope they do well, like I hope QR do well at CWL, but I am naturally cautious but will happily admit to being wrong.
My view on this is that on review after 2 years or so on which of the 9 daily London flights has the lowest yield, I would suspect it would still be STN, but time will tell.
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