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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 11:02
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wowzz...well said & reasonable & grateful for you to actually post it too...
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 15:35
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When the new car park is open, you will all be pleased to know that I will indeed give STN another chance!
In that case we're all have to get in touch with MAG and ask them if they can invite you along to the official opening ceremony of the multi storey car park when it's completed, perhaps you could cut the ribbon and be the first person to use it.

Fairplay to SSB and Daz for keeping up the argument with you and their replies have been excellent and I'm in total agreement with them both because to be honest reading your posts they do come across as rather weird.

From the airports that you listed and the fact that Doncaster is your all time favourite you obviously use TUI for your holidays, that says it all!

(Package holiday company's such as TUI are not my thing, bit common for me)

I'm more of an independent traveler who appreciates the huge amount of destinations available from STN especially compared to 1991 when the ''new'' terminal opened and yes I'm old enough to have appreciated the ''old'' terminal just in case you comment on that as you did with Daz.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 16:47
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I’m not too old, but I’m old enough.
My first aviation job was 3 months after the new terminal opened I’m a good old Air UK boy.
I also checked in what I believe to be Ryanair’s first ever “International Flight” STN-TSF.
im still in aviation and much prefer a bustling busy terminal to a terminal where all the days departures fit on half a departure board.

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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 21:05
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The same poster always raises the original concept for the terminal design & always bemoans the fact that the business model is different now...well of course it is,the thinking was brilliant for circa 1979 but change in all areas of travel & airline business = REALITY,has ensured the airport operator(s) have had to change & re adapt functionality within the terminal,you would not expect a pro active business to do otherwise. but again the poster chooses to put his own interpretation & pet aversion (shops) on this reality.
In fact the original design & construction impedes to a greater or lessor extent functionality today at STN.
er.......what?

Look I have nothing against STN at all, long may it prosper and be successful, and kudos to the home crowd for supporting the home team.
But frankly, it could and should be better, much like MAN T3, same group, MAG. STN is growing so fast mainly because MAG will give the likes of Jet2 sweetheart deals to get them in, great value for an airline. However to make any money, the operator now has to slow down the passengers getting from A to B to make them spend as much money as possible in the shops. Now we know that they all do this, so the only arguement I have here, is that MAG have gone too far. Frequent fliers like me have no wish to spend time in the shops, hence to many of their core market, the passenger experience is very poor, you can see this on skytrax. But in fairness, let's see what MAN and STN look like in 5 years.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 22:07
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
Iím not too old, but Iím old enough.
My first aviation job was 3 months after the new terminal opened Iím a good old Air UK boy.
I also checked in what I believe to be Ryanairís first ever ďInternational FlightĒ STN-TSF.
im still in aviation and much prefer a bustling busy terminal to a terminal where all the days departures fit on half a departure board.
If you read my post your see that I was backing you up Daz you didn't need to explain yourself I'm on your side mate :-)

My first visit to the ''new'' terminal was in September 1991 a few months after it had officially been opened and I remember looking at the departures and there was at least three hours between the flights at one point, even the majority of regional airports within the U.K. had far exceeded that in 1991, Stansted considering it's history has with no doubt been a huge success especially as it was constantly referred to as a ''white elephant'' in it's early days by the media.

But I agree with Skip (as usual) that the walk through the shops straight from security is absolutely awful especially if you want to go straight to your gate trying to avoid the once a year travelers who dawdle through totally impeding anyone trying to get through in a rush, I know shopping malls are a predominant feature of airports throughout the world and on the whole I enjoy them and appreciate why Airports have them but Stansted is on a different level regarding this and I guess that's one of reasons that I haven't used the airport since 2015.

But I'm not knocking the airport in anyway whatsoever as I have quite an affection for Stansted stemming from my early spotting days at airport on a Sunday for those Scandinavian flights :-)
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 22:58
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"From the airports that you listed and the fact that Doncaster is your all time favourite you obviously use TUI for your holidays, that says it all!"
No, I use Flybe from Doncaster (although perhaps not for much longer) . I use BA from LGW, and yes, I do use TUI from BHX, but on a flight only basis, with one exception last year, when we get a good deal on a hotel/flight combination with TUI.
Perhaps you should get more acquainted with current flight options from regional airports ! And, whilst I have only taken one TUI holiday in the last 20 years, can you explain exactly what you mean by "that says it all!" Whilst I appreciate that I may have upset STN supporters with my negative comments, how does going on a TUI holiday have any bearing on the issue?

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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 10:46
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Yes,generally we are all mere observers in the grand scheme of things...

Will resume my latest reading..."The predecessors of the first British Airways"...Essex Airport anyone?.Well in the 1930`s that was Stapleford Tawney! & you could fly to Paris,Ostend & Brussels from there as well as domestically.
Stansted would still have been farmers fields in those pre war days.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 11:59
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I hearing Jet2 are in talks with MAG for a designated satellite Building.
I can’t see how this would be possible without satellite 4 being constructed, if this is the case this would put a Jet2 satellite just outside the new arrivals terminal.
Does anyone know if the TTS is already in place for satellite 4 ? I seem to think it is.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 12:15
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Hillman Airways flights to Paris from Mayland Aerodrome at Harold Wood, (then in Essex), predates their flights to Paris in from Stapleford (1934) I believe
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 13:16
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Is there a particular need for a dedicated Jet2 satellite? Would it not be pretty redundant for large chunks of the day?
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 13:50
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
I hearing Jet2 are in talks with MAG for a designated satellite Building.
I canít see how this would be possible without satellite 4 being constructed, if this is the case this would put a Jet2 satellite just outside the new arrivals terminal.
Does anyone know if the TTS is already in place for satellite 4 ? I seem to think it is.
there is certainly the concrete and station structure unused for Sat 3 (the one with the cowshed). As I understand it there is tunnelling to where Sat 4 would go but no station structure
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 14:21
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SAT2 operates partly on two separate levels...re-model?.

Outline permission has existed for many years though for a take up of SAT4.

With the original concept as it stands I doubt any TTS engineering is already in place regarding SAT4 as the BAA as it then was ran into large problems with the local Council in not providing TTS to SAT3 in the plans with the Council stating the walk as planned would be too long for passengers.It was all about costings between BAA/UDC & in the end UDC relented when BAA compromised/provided for & installed the travellator /moving walkway system for part distance out to SAT3.

It was always thought & said but not confirmed absolutely though that in the original construction & development on the South Side future proofing was indeed provided with foundations built & covered for the modular expansion concept for which STN was the forerunner.

Stands to the east of SAT 3 built later were overconstructed to provide for the heaviest widebody as an example.

I think the new arrivals terminal puts it right in front of SAT3...A SAT 4 will be farther out to the east & will require some provision of automation/people moving undoubtedly.

Very interesting regarding Jet2 & perhaps unsurprising as they work up the Stansted base & their excellent relationship with MAG.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 15:16
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I guess if true or not Sat4 will need to be built soon, with the max passenger cap being raised last month.
I personally think, like an earlier poster that it would be empty between Jet2 departure waves but maybe my prediction for big things from Jet2 in 2020 will prove to be true, so I just don’t know ether way.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 15:22
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Quite right G-APDK...

Maylands Aerodrome...must admit was quite unfamiliar with that though Hillman Airways & Hillman himself was a well known pioneer & it appears the Stellios/MOL of his day.
The book says Hillman`s twice daily Paris service was inaugurated 1.4.33!..marvellous...Modern day STN doesn't even feature Paris on the departure boards!.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 15:39
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DAZ211...It could be you have identified in money terms the one drawback/headache to a present day development of SAT4 which is access/people moving over a relatively long distance.

Whether the new Arrivals Terminal will help or hinder this potential development remains to be seen I would imagine.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 16:22
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Yes the tunnel runs up to the base of where SAT 4 would be built. It only runs to SAT1 and SAT 2 currently. If it was to be opened in SAT3 they would need to totally remodel SAT3 as it has a totally different layout to SAT1 and 2.
In the current changes with STP (Stansted Transformation Project) SAT2 is going to have some sort of remodel. I heard rumors this could be to have it the same design as SAT1 with a link bridge for domestic arrivals and also just a refit so it will look like the way SAT1 has been changed to.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 19:15
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
but maybe my prediction for big things from Jet2 in 2020 will prove to be true, so I just donít know ether way.
For me it would have to involve something of a shock/broadening of direction that would bring activity outside current waves. That would be long-haul or a shift to shorter sectors like city destinations/domestics. Iím not convinced either are likely, but neither would I rule them out. Simply upping the based fleet for the same Med-type destinations wouldnít really increase the need for a dedicated sat as the waves would still broadly be the same.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 19:23
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Perhaps if Jet2 bought Flybe.......
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Surely the easy way to spread the traffic is to increase the number of Mediterranean bases so that their flights arrive just after the first wave has left?
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Old 24th Nov 2018, 08:16
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It makes perfect sense for Jet2 to consolidate into one SAT at the very least for their own company logistics,they are consolidating at MAN although under different circumstances perhaps.

It would also make sense for the customer/passenger with whom we know Jet2 have a very good industry reputation...very good with families.

However...which SAT?...not only just the unused space on the passenger level (during waves as they exist at the moment anyway) there is the forbidding task of stand allocation & usage throughout the day for other operators.

Allocation & optimum usage is also a major reason for the now approved mid-field stands construction (temporary holding or penalty boxes as the Americans refer to them) to ease bottle necks awaiting actual contact stands on the terminal or departures waiting for ATC R/W slots.

At the recent planning meeting & approval MAG/STN were very keen to emphasise their ambition for free flowing movement of aircraft around the terminal.

The offer of a SAT to a specific operator is not new of course witness RYR & under the BAA (& not made public ) SAT 2 was offered to Emirates to reallocate their London ops & were informed they would have a "free pass" regarding the fit out.

The STP (Stansted Transformation Project) both landside & airside is certainly going to be interesting although a 2/3 year project at least.
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