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Old 20th Nov 2018, 20:01
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
Passengers have left Ryanair for Jet2 in their droves at Stansted.
but luckily for Ryanair their will always be new passengers turning of age to travel alone or with friend rather than family.
obviously some will put up with Ryanair but for people wanting a better experience for the same or not much more money Jet2 has been then answer.

Yes 2019 will be an interesting year But letís see what happens in 2020.
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How can we know that passengers are leaving Ryanair in their droves?

Jet2 are so differentiated to Ryanair, going after package holidays for the most part... this is suggested to be in excess of 60% of their passengers...
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 20:06
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Then they are looking to have the second daily flight launched before Easter.
If I get more details of confirmed dates I will let you all know.
That would indeed be remarkable before Easter, as virtually every Emirates destination is getting reduced before Easter including Stansted for the six week period when one of the runways gets resurfaced and coinciding with Ramadan when loads vanish as a quick as a ÖÖÖÖ.

Still 5 a week from mid April until June and a second service would indeed be astonishing before then. Not saying it won't happen but would there be much point if say it was from February or March?

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Old 21st Nov 2018, 07:27
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I have always been supportive of Ryanair, and have flown them plenty of times from STN.

hiwecer with their ridiculous splitting up of groups policy I now avoid flying then unless solo.

i will pay £20-25 more per ticket to fly Jet2 or EasyJet.
abd thatís a family of 4 so up to £100 for the trip.

the only disappointment is Ryanair are the only airline to fly to Barcelona - I wish one of the others would add some competition to the route. The demand is there, Ryanair fly 4 times a day. Still rather fly Ryanair from STN than brave Luton though
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 08:19
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Emirates...

It could be imagined the word "launch" in the context posted perhaps may well read as "announce" & therefore commencement of bookings.

UAE33 was some five full months between announcement & start & actually could be counted as seven as it was announced 20.12.17 & commenced 6.6.18.

The second daily is certain & fits with all the mood music from the STN CEO too.

The more interesting subject is the daily timing/schedule & cabin fit of the second as UAE33 is timed & cabin fitted for a specific market that UAE & MAG very correctly identified.
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 09:19
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Originally Posted by Keanaga View Post
Air Egypt cargo to start 3 weekly flights in near future.
Keanaga When does Egyptair Cargo starts flying to STN? Direct to/frm Cairo or via? Source?
With there new A330F? Because in case of a hard Brexit they can no longer serve UK via Ostend?

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Old 21st Nov 2018, 12:44
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An EZY A320NEO has joined the based fleet at STN today for the first time...ops to PMI & AMS.
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 13:11
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STN bolsters corporate affairs team with three new roles ahead of the £600m transformation project getting under way...

STN comments..."Stansted is changing everyday & a key focus of the team will be to deliver a step change in people`s perceptions of the airport".
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 14:43
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
STN bolsters corporate affairs team with three new roles ahead of the £600m transformation project getting under way...

STN comments..."Stansted is changing everyday & a key focus of the team will be to deliver a step change in people`s perceptions of the airport".
Isn't the issue that people's perception of STN, which is of rude security personnel, expensive parking and meet and greet facilities, endless shops but no seats, scruffy toilets,etc are the same as reality. Perhaps MAG should try changing the actual airport experience, rather than trying to persuade pax that things are better than they actually are.
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 17:52
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Originally Posted by wowzz View Post
Isn't the issue that people's perception of STN, which is of rude security personnel, expensive parking and meet and greet facilities, endless shops but no seats, scruffy toilets,etc are the same as reality. Perhaps MAG should try changing the actual airport experience, rather than trying to persuade pax that things are better than they actually are.
Where do I even start with a response.
Lets start by pointing out that MAG are installing a large seating area above the restaurant airside.
Also the toilets are cleaned on a regular basis throughout the day, I guess if you go in before it’s cleaned you could be disappointed, however if you visit immediately after a clean you will be pleasantly surprised.
Now lets get onto shops, Please tell me of any major international Airports that don’t have shops and restaurants after security. Regarding security personnel the same can be said for any airport, depending on what side of the bed your security person woke up on, my worst security experience was at SEN and I guarantee his working day was a lot easier than a poor agent at STN. Now let’s talk about parking - Really is it so much more than other London airports? Also let’s not forget the new multi story car parking is well underway and will provide yet another parking option.
Give it 3-4 years and you won’t recognise STN as it is today with a designated departure terminal with shoreline check-in end to end and a state of the art arrivals terminal.
Any thing else ?

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Old 21st Nov 2018, 18:40
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post

Where do I even start with a response.
Lets start by pointing out that MAG are installing a large seating area above the restaurant airside.
Also the toilets are cleaned on a regular basis throughout the day, I guess if you go in before itís cleaned you could be disappointed, however if you visit immediately after a clean you will be pleasantly surprised.
Now lets get onto shops, Please tell me of any major international Airports that donít have shops and restaurants after security. Regarding security personnel the same can be said for any airport, depending on what side of the bed your security person woke up on, my worst security experience was at SEN and I guarantee his working day was a lot easier than a poor agent at STN. Now letís talk about parking - Really is it so much more than other London airports? Also letís not forget the new multi story car parking is well underway and will provide yet another parking option.
Give it 3-4 years and you wonít recognise STN as it is today with a designated departure terminal with shoreline check-in end to end and a state of the art arrivals terminal.
Any thing else ?

STN finished joint second from bottom in the "Which" survey of UK airports. I'm not alone in my criticism, apparently!
Daz, given the choice would you rather fly from the STN of 1998 or 2018? Sometimes progress is not all it cracks up to be!
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 19:22
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STN finished joint second from bottom in the "Which" survey of UK airports. I'm not alone in my criticism, apparently!
Daz, given the choice would you rather fly from the STN of 1998 or 2018? Sometimes progress is not all it cracks up to be!
Such a stupid Question.
I guess I would only have a hand full of destinations to choose from.
How would I spend my time ? Without all the shops and restaurants to Choose from ?
I think the question you should be asking is if you live north of London or in Suffolk,Norfolk or Cambridgeshire in 1998 would I rather drive past a large airport with limited destinations or fly from LGW or LHR or would I prefer a busy airport with growing airline routes with destinations linking me to the world as well as being the UKs business airport for European destinations.
using your line of thinking I would also rather drive round the M25 they year it was built rather than now.
As for Surviving Airports I donít agree with the results nor do they represent the majority of the traveling public.
if STN was as terrible as you say how is it one of the fastest growing airports in Europe and almost joint 3rd busiest in the UK.

I get it you donít like STN but many do just look at the growing passenger numbers.
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 19:56
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Growing passenger numbers donít mean anyone likes anything. I flew FRA-LHR with LH into T2 last week and DUB-LTN today with FR. Lutonís passenger numbers have never been higher, but the difference in the airport experience is huge! One is straight off an airbridge and on the tube minutes later in a world class facility, the other.....er isnít. (no complaint with either airline, Ryanair are punctual and generally reliable #touchwoood)
My point is that for frequent fliers, the loco airport experience is a major ball ache, STN is not quite as bad as LTN but itís up there. Key point on STN, the customer experience has been going steadily downhill, but more shops to balance out the deals made on landing fees.
I guess I would only have a hand full of destinations to choose from.
How would I spend my time ? Without all the shops and restaurants to Choose
Er what time? The reason you have time to kill is to KEEP YOU SHOPPING. Stansted was beautiy designed to get you from kerb to gate and on your way ASAP. Different business model now, the terminal is designed to impede progress, slow you down and make you shop. Now every airport does this to some extent but STN takes it to extreme levels.
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 20:14
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Growing passenger numbers donít mean anyone likes anything. I flew FRA-LHR with LH into T2 last week and DUB-LTN today with FR. Lutonís passenger numbers have never been higher, but the difference in the airport experience is huge! One is straight off an airbridge and on the tube minutes later in a world class facility, the other.....er isnít. (no complaint with either airline, Ryanair are punctual and generally reliable #touchwoood)
My point is that for frequent fliers, the loco airport experience is a major ball ache, STN is not quite as bad as LTN but itís up there. Key point on STN, the customer experience has been going steadily downhill, but more shops to balance out the deals made on landing fees.

Er what time? The reason you have time to kill is to KEEP YOU SHOPPING. Stansted was beautiy designed to get you from kerb to gate and on your way ASAP. Different business model now, the terminal is designed to impede progress, slow you down and make you shop. Now every airport does this to some extent but STN takes it to extreme levels.
See we are very different people, I avoid LHR like the plague, I have flown STN-AMS in the time from pushback to rotate at LHR and if Iím traveling on business, yes I like to get to the airport in enough time to grab a drink and maybe some food meet my company staff at said airports also when I travel with family or friends on holiday the holiday starts when we leave the house we love time at the airport, itís not like staff in the shops hit you on the head and drag you in make you open your wallet.
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 22:41
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Daz - I admire your unswerving support for STN, and as an ex Colchester resident I was probably using the airport a long time before you were old enough to travel alone. That was my point about how much better the airport and it's infrastructure were 20 or 25 years ago. Unless you knew how good the airport was then, you cannot appreciate how bad it is now.
The issue is that having numerous destinations, year on year pax growth etc. does not make for a great traveller experience. I really do not care if there are flights to Budapest, Prague etc. if I cannot get a seat while waiting for my flight to Alicante. I understand that all airports are now glorified shopping malls, and that STN is adding more seating, but from a customer perspective, could not the seating have been added before the shops?
Then last time I flew into STN, it took me 90 minutes from wheels down to getting into my car, having collected my luggage. This compares to 45 minutes at LGW, 65 minutes at LHR, and 55 minutes at BHX. Surely STN can do better than that?
Once STN has an infrastructure suited to it's passenger numbers, I will happily travel through there again. In the meantime I consciously avoid it.
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Old 21st Nov 2018, 23:06
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MAG have to be commended for their huge investment into STN & their focus now on future transformational growth.
The maxim being true that you cannot please all of the people all of the time is reality though emphasised by posts from the usual detractors.
The post concerning the transit at LHR straight off the airbridge & onto the tube in a world class facility is a personal observation though frankly within expectations from the UK`s premier airport,but that airport has or can have its own issues of course.
I have had shockers in the past arriving mainly long haul at LHR awaiting stand or ground crew.
The same poster always raises the original concept for the terminal design & always bemoans the fact that the business model is different now...well of course it is,the thinking was brilliant for circa 1979 but change in all areas of travel & airline business = REALITY,has ensured the airport operator(s) have had to change & re adapt functionality within the terminal,you would not expect a pro active business to do otherwise. but again the poster chooses to put his own interpretation & pet aversion (shops) on this reality.
In fact the original design & construction impedes to a greater or lessor extent functionality today at STN.
My own first experience straight from security check into the midst of perfumery was actually LHR T3.
Another poster above has highlighted very well too benefits & positives of an ever expanding STN & as MAG have forecast 60% of London`s future growth in air traffic will be accommodated at Stansted it will be exciting times.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 06:56
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I really do not care if there are flights to Budapest, Prague etc. if I cannot get a seat while waiting for my flight to Alicante.
I donít really get this. Surely you would want choice? And if youíre a one destination man what makes your need to reach Alicante more deserving than someone elseís need for Prague? A range of destinations, high pax numbers and a good experience arenít mutually exclusive.

If if youíre in STNís catchment perhaps give Southend a try. It sounds like the perfect option for you. No bus to the car park. Easy security. Few shops. Lots of seats. Granted EasyJet charge more for Alicante than Ryanair do at STN and Rennes is more expensive than Riga but you get what you pay for.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 08:22
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I donít really get this. Surely you would want choice? And if youíre a one destination man what makes your need to reach Alicante more deserving than someone elseís need for Prague? A range of destinations, high pax numbers and a good experience arenít mutually exclusive.

If if youíre in STNís catchment perhaps give Southend a try. It sounds like the perfect option for you. No bus to the car park. Easy security. Few shops. Lots of seats. Granted EasyJet charge more for Alicante than Ryanair do at STN and Rennes is more expensive than Riga but you get what you pay for.
I perhaps phrased my objection wrongly. Daz was implying that STN was successful due to the large number of destinations it served. I would agree with that, but only if the airport has the infra structure to support the amount of passengers that all these destinations generate. I also agree with you that a range of destinations, high pax numbers and a good experience should not be mutually exclusive. Unfortunately, that is not the case at STN, where the experience is anything but great!
Until STN has the facilities to support the undoubted enormous growth in pax numbers I will continue to avoid it, and use SEN, LGW, BHX amy my all time favourite, DSA

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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 09:23
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wowzz….
By your own admission back in September you have not used STN for three years so hardly a strong suit to play here when withholding future support for STN.
I think we must put you down as collateral damage as STN continues to grow & you patently ignore advice that has already been offered in an attempt to smooth your progress through the airport perhaps.
For instance to save journey time from plane to car next Summer,perhaps utilise & try the new 6 level carpark currently under construction (short time lapse video on Stansted Media site) which will be a relative stones throw from the terminal.
Lots of seating in the SAT`s & good views why not take advantage & arrive a few minutes earlier & decamp?.
Why not attempt to turn some of your undoubted negativity to something more positive to enhance the part of your holiday which is the travelling itself?.
Blimey,you hark back 25 years for a Stansted "experience" & chide a poster that he probably cannot do so,but fortunately or perhaps unfortunately for me I can beat you with historic reminiscences from all viewpoints if you prefer & wish to live in & debate times long past.
We have all travelled the world & experienced both the good & sometimes the bad at every airport I would venture.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 09:24
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I perhaps phrased my objection wrongly. Daz was implying that STN was successful due to the large number of destinations it served. I would agree with that, but only if the airport has the infra structure to support the amount of passengers that all these destinations generate. I also agree with you that a range of destinations, high pax numbers and a good experience should not be mutually exclusive. Unfortunately, that is not the case at STN, where the experience is anything but great!
Until STN has the facilities to support the undoubted enormous growth in pax numbers I will continue to avoid it, and use SEN, LGW, BHX amy my all time favourite, DSA
I still donít get the point of your posts.
Everything you are complaining about is in hand, You are fully aware that the Airport is undergoing a major revamp which will see the current terminal being departures only and the construction of the new Arrivals building will make a massive difference, it sounds to me that you had nothing better to do with your time and thought letís start a pointless conversation about an Airport you avoid at all costs.

Can we get back onto some meaningful conversation regarding Stansted please.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 10:21
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When the new car park is open, you will all be pleased to know that I will indeed give STN another chance!
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