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Old 6th Oct 2018, 20:14
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There is an arrival tomorrow at 05.32 from EWR by EI 1990 with a 767. Is this a Primera rescue flight ?
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 20:40
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There is an arrival tomorrow at 05.32 from EWR by EI 1990 with a 767. Is this a Primera rescue flight ?
Titan sub charter positioning back to base I suspect
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 21:19
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Good call...

763 `POWD positioned STN-DUB yesterday then operated DUB-EWR as EI 101 according to FR24.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Stanstedeye View Post
There is an arrival tomorrow at 05.32 from EWR by EI 1990 with a 767. Is this a Primera rescue flight ?
No, airlines going bust are not covered by CAA and the ATOL scheme.

Monarch was different because they sold holidays, and had an ATOL bond - as does Jet2 Holidays for instance, who have just upped theirs by 30%. (flight onlys are not protected and if you buy hotel and flight from different suppliers you may not covered)

Most MON/OM pax were repatriated for about 2 weeks on CAA flights, but some flight only pax had to claim from their banks (if paid by cards) and/or their travel insurance and make their own way home.

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Old 8th Oct 2018, 18:33
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AIZ/Arkia due to commence their A321N ops to STN from TLV on 19.11.18 frequency 3 weekly & then 2 weekly from 3.1.19.

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Old 10th Oct 2018, 11:01
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Recently travelled through LGW, LTN and today STN. STN definitely the least pleasurable. Security still really badly designed and managed. Nobody putting empty trays away so everything getting held up. Followed by that repellent walk of shame through duty free.
My wife also came through yesterday. Massive queues at immigration.
It's actually my most convenient airport and i used to love it. But now I avoid it if possible because STN + FR = unpleasant
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 13:42
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I think the complaints about security are valid but I donít get why people single out STN for the duty free walk, which is an experience replicated across the world. Itís not even the only one in London.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 20:06
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It can understand why people complain about the walk through ĎWorld Duty Freeí and then the other shops. But they make a lot of money for the retailers and the airport. Now I know a vast amount of the people who fly through Stansted dont even care about the shops they just take it as part of the shopping experience at our airport.
My opinion is if you know what Stansted is like after security with the shops and you dont like it then donít fly through Stansted then.
As for queues at Stansted at security and the border Stansted offers fast track for the passengers who dont wonít to queue, but if you choose not to buy this then donít complain about the queues.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 20:46
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I think jdcg has courage to voice his or her opinion on this thread. I sense someone out there is about to vent their spleen.

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Old 10th Oct 2018, 20:47
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"but if you choose not to buy this then don’t complain about the queues "
Yes I can and I will. I've travelled through Heathrow, Gatwick and Glasgow recently - all those large airports manage to organise security to run smoothly and swiftly without the need to pay extra. The disorganisation at security at Stansted is far worse than other UK airports.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 21:03
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My last two trips through Stansted, one of which being in August weíre fine and speedy, I was genuinely surprised as I expected the worst.

I have experienced horrendous queues at Gatwickís north terminal on arrival at passport control. Genuinely worse than Stansted. And letís face it the once shinning was BA terminal is now just a shabby low cost bus station once you get airside. Try and fight your way into one of those restaurants prior to the first wave, it is hideous imho.

Dont get me started on my T5 arrival experience last time around. I stood for what felt like an hour or more waiting to use one of those automated gates after a long-haul is no fun.

Iím pretty certain all the above are just down to luck, bad luck and/or timing.

If you want a better experience go small... Try Southend. But get in quick before FR arrive next year because even Southend will succumb to the rank of hideousness soon.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 21:13
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Originally Posted by ELondonPax View Post
"but if you choose not to buy this then donít complain about the queues "
Yes I can and I will. I've travelled through Heathrow, Gatwick and Glasgow recently - all those large airports manage to organise security to run smoothly and swiftly without the need to pay extra. The disorganisation at security at Stansted is far worse than other UK airports.
Yes security gets busy at peak times but given that Stansted is the busiest London airport for European departures Iím not surprised and would expect a queue. As for the shops after security love or hate them walk in or past them itís no big deal itís not like you are forced into the sports shop to buy some trainers. Itís a really pointless negative remark to make about the shops. For instance I donít drink alcohol but I wouldnít moan that there is a pub / bar in the departure lounge just as people who donít drink coffee donít moan how many coffee shops there are.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 23:11
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And am I not right in thinking that both Gatwick and Luton (I cant recall if or which terminals at LHR do if any?) dump you in the middle of duty free as soon as you exit security. In fact I think most of the major airports in the UK do. This isnít unique to Stansted. It is the norm.
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 07:12
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The Aussies call it about right winging poms,if you don't like it there's plenty of London choice these day's use one of the others.
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 07:39
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Originally Posted by pamann View Post
My last two trips through Stansted, one of which being in August weíre fine and speedy, I was genuinely surprised as I expected the worst.


Iíve had good and bad at all London airports, though STN is particularly bad at security. LCY and SEN are particularly good, though I have experienced delays.

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If you want a better experience go small... Try Southend. But get in quick before FR arrive next year because even Southend will succumb to the rank of hideousness soon.
Even there you are at the mercy of U.K. Border force and thatís where a lot of these complaints and delays arise. Last time there were 3 officers who took forever to process our flight of 90-something pax with 4xAirbuses to arrive within the next hour or so. Iíve also had 5 desks processing 8 of us on a very empty ATR with only an A319 to come.
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 07:57
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post


Iíve had good and bad at all London airports, though STN is particularly bad at security. LCY and SEN are particularly good, though I have experienced delays.



Even there you are at the mercy of U.K. Border force and thatís where a lot of these complaints and delays arise. Last time there were 3 officers who took forever to process our flight of 90-something pax with 4xAirbuses to arrive within the next hour or so. Iíve also had 5 desks processing 8 of us on a very empty ATR with only an A319 to come.
Please, of course SEN and LCY have less issues.
Take Southend for example, itís daily aircraft movements are swamped by the first hour of operation at Stansted.
if we donít stop complaining about delays at security, measures will be taken to speed things up and thatís when mistakes will be made, can we all just realise the world has changed as far as security is concerned and the amount of people flying has never been higher, put the two together, have a think and get to the airport an hour earlier than you planed, have a coffee and a chat with the person next to you in the queue, pass through security maybe buy something in duty free, board the plane land safe and be happy.
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 08:38
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if we donít stop complaining about delays at security, measures will be taken to speed things up and thatís when mistakes will be made, can we all just realise the world has changed as far as security is concerned and the amount of people flying has never been higher, put the two together
I accept that but I think youíre missing the point. Itís not about how thorough searches are, but the time taken to reach that point. I use STN a lot as Iím local, Iím not some fanboy of a rival airport having a pop. Whatever time of day there are always a number of x-rays out of use. That is what causes frustration. Other airports with the throughout of STN manage a lot better.

For the 6-8am departure peak SEN has two lanes open for around 1100 seats. Using the same measure STN would need 18-19 lanes open. Are there that many ever in operation?
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 09:20
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I have no real problem with the meandering path through the shops at STN. As has been said, this is now the norm in the majority of airports these days. What irks me, the the lack of available seating once you get to the central concourse - a few less shops and more seating would almost make STN bearable. But then we come to the toilets, or rather lack of them at STN!
As an aside, I arrived at Gatwick (South) on Saturday. Flight touched down at 18:20. I exited the car park at 19:10, having collected hold luggage (mine was one of the last cases off the carousel, or the time would have been earlier). I have never got close to a 50 minute transit at STN. Normally closer to 90 minutes.
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 17:15
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Please, of course SEN and LCY have less issues.
Take Southend for example, itís daily aircraft movements are swamped by the first hour of operation at Stansted.
if we donít stop complaining about delays at security, measures will be taken to speed things up and thatís when mistakes will be made, can we all just realise the world has changed as far as security is concerned and the amount of people flying has never been higher, put the two together, have a think and get to the airport an hour earlier than you planed, have a coffee and a chat with the person next to you in the queue, pass through security maybe buy something in duty free, board the plane land safe and be happy.
Daz - I understand what you mean, but if you fly regularly rather than once or twice per year, duty free and arriving 2 hours before a flight start to lose their appeal. To a frequent flyer, an airport is little more than a port facility. A train station has no security screening but I can arrive just a few mins before a teain departs and be ok - why does an aiport need 90 mins or even 2 hours with just hand luggage ?

I understand the need for security but arriving at an airport one hour before departure should be enough - screening a passenger who understands the security process well and who does not present any red flags should take no more than 5 or 10 mins from arriving in a queue to being able to entering a main departure lounge.
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 18:00
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I think it’s just how some people are I fly approx 5x a month from a few airports STN MAN and LBA to name a few
now if I had my way our airports would be more like LPA and ACE once checked in up on the roof for a fag.
but as we are talking about STN once through security I’m over to sat 1 and relax looking out at the world going by
whilst checking details on my meetings on the laptop.
I must say I never have the need to check in bags so it’s only hand baggage.
the main reason for the delay at security is people still insist on taking liquids gels and toy guns through security.
I think things will improve at Stansted when the new arrivals terminal is up and running and the departure terminal is redesigned. Only time will tell.
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