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Old 11th Nov 2020, 07:45
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I think Cardiffs best hope is that Jet2 squeezes the airlines there so much that they look at expanding at Cardiff and Exeter instead of Bristol.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 07:53
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PDX - agree. Worst case though is they drive incremental growth for BRS from their catchment and BHX/CWL - we know how easily the people from South Wales will cross the bridge for a good deal or for the right trip - they do it in their hundreds of thousands already. I personally know a number of people who have been pretty fed up with TUI this year (waiting months for refunds) and who say now they will book anybody but TUI. Obviously this is just my anecdotal experience and whether this will have a material impact I don’t know. Some local agents have also be burnt by them. Let’s hope the CWL team are doing what they can to cement the TUI relationship as any damage to them at CWL would be a severe blow to the airport.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 08:19
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Jet2/Holidays should not be under estimated...They are market makers & influencers.

They barrelled into the lions den of STN back in the day when many said it could not work.
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
Yeah I do agree with this and guess what I’m trying to say is that I know CWL had their fingers burnt by BMI baby & then Flybe but given Eastern already have one aircraft based, I would have thought EDI & DUB would have fitted in well. COVID-19 pandemic had obviously thrown a spanner into things.
The reason CWL got their fingers burnt by bmi baby was because the airport encouraged Flybe to compete with bmi on routes that could not sustain two carriers. The airport authority were informed if they persisted with this strategy baby would relocate their aircraft elsewhere, which of course happened.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 16:53
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I know not directly related to CWL but I think adds to the whole ‘success and growth of Jet2/H’ - this is an appalling way to treat suppliers - many of whom will be small family businesses and I think demonstrates an abuse of their dominance. I get they are struggling but in the same way they made customers wait and chase for refunds through the summer they are now doing the same to hoteliers (I have no idea if Jet2 are employing similar tactics).

This wont engender loyalty from either suppliers or customers and will drive people to alternates like Jet2. Why would you want to do more business (than you absolutely have to) with an organisation that behaves in such a way. Can they renege on contracts like this ? it is extraordinary times for them but it is for consumers and suppliers too who don’t have access to billions in state aid.

my point is that these kinds of actions can only drive more people - customers, agents and suppliers to want to do business with those organisations who play fair. My personal view is that TUI are doing some real damage to their brand and relationships.

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Old 12th Nov 2020, 16:58
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A little bit of good news for CWL.
TUI have added extra flights to Turkey from Cardiff Airport for Summer 2021

Dalaman goes from 2 to 3 weekly with flights on Mon, Wed and Thurs

Antalya goes from 1 to 2 weekly with flights on Mon and Thurs
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 17:35
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I wonder (or clutch at straws) whether TUI will invest more at CWL now with Jet2 & Jet2 Holidays going to BRS ?? I imagine TUI will not be overly impressed about this move and BRS must be pretty full.....
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
I wonder (or clutch at straws) whether TUI will invest more at CWL now with Jet2 & Jet2 Holidays going to BRS ?? I imagine TUI will not be overly impressed about this move and BRS must be pretty full.....
Depends how much they effect them but a lot of people are just assuming that they'll only effect TUI. Easyjet also have a holiday division and they might also reduce Ryanair yields as well.
Hopefully TUI and Ryanair will add more at Cardiff along with Vueling.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 20:25
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Depends how much they effect them but a lot of people are just assuming that they'll only effect TUI. Easyjet also have a holiday division and they might also reduce Ryanair yields as well.
Hopefully TUI and Ryanair will add more at Cardiff along with Vueling.
As good as the news is about Jet2 going into BRS, it must be pretty full to capacity for night stopping aircraft.......and a lot of duplication of routes and destinations.

EZY, FR & Jet2 (plus TUI too) now going head to head.....maybe this may prove too much for one airline who could potentially make the hop across the Severn, who knows but let’s hope CWL work closely with those limited airlines they have left.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 20:39
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
As good as the news is about Jet2 going into BRS, it must be pretty full to capacity for night stopping aircraft.......and a lot of duplication of routes and destinations.

EZY, FR & Jet2 (plus TUI too) now going head to head.....maybe this may prove too much for one airline who could potentially make the hop across the Severn, who knows but let’s hope CWL work closely with those limited airlines they have left.
I don't think any airline will be pushed out but Ryanair and TUI do have the option of adding at Cardiff and Exeter on routes where competition is
high. It'll be interesting to see Easyjets reaction as up until now they have been the ones that have dominated Bristol.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 20:51
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Jet2 is significantly differentiated in terms of being more a tour operator than an airline. Not much easyJet can do. Just as with Ryanair at STN and BHX, Jet2 thrived and not much the incumbent could do. People rate Jet2 very highly...
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 20:53
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
I don't think any airline will be pushed out but Ryanair and TUI do have the option of adding at Cardiff and Exeter on routes where competition is
high. It'll be interesting to see Easyjets reaction as up until now they have been the ones that have dominated Bristol.
Be interesting to see EZY reaction I guess, they’ve more of less saved BRS and made it what it is today, so imagine they will not be impressed at all. First FR and now Jet2...... would be amazing to see some “W” patterns through CWL to test the water as a result of this and to threaten BRS after all they’ve invested and done for BRS.
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
Be interesting to see EZY reaction I guess, they’ve more of less saved BRS and made it what it is today, so imagine they will not be impressed at all. First FR and now Jet2...... would be amazing to see some “W” patterns through CWL to test the water as a result of this and to threaten BRS after all they’ve invested and done for BRS.
I'd be very shocked if Easyjet showed up at Cardiff but would be nice.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 21:50
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
I'd be very shocked if Easyjet showed up at Cardiff but would be nice.
Yeah I know - very wishful thinking indeed on my behalf but who knows with Ryanair though, they certainly will not like it. Plus who knows TUI may be narked off with it all too.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 22:48
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CWL Statement

Spencer Birns, Interim CEO at Cardiff Airport said:

Following the news that Jet2 will be launching a base at Bristol Airport, we want to reassure our customers that we continue to speak with airlines to secure routes at Cardiff Airport, and are doing everything that we can to ensure the long-term viability of the Airport given the current circumstances.

“COVID-19 has had a devastating impact on the global aviation industry, and the ongoing travel restrictions in place continue to hamper the industry’s recovery.

“We look forward to our airlines resuming their flights from Cardiff Airport in the near future, with many holiday flights now on sale for the summer season.

“We continue to maintain regular dialogue with airlines regarding route development, and we expect to be able to offer sufficient choice for our customers as we move towards recovery.


Textbook answer maybe because they simply have no leads and no money to throw at airlines...?
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 23:36
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Interesting that they put out a statement.
Can't find that statement online though? Is there a link for it?
And let's face it an airport can have all the money in the world but if the airline's aren't interested there's not a lot they can do.

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Old 13th Nov 2020, 08:05
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Answer on Jet2 approach:


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Old 13th Nov 2020, 09:53
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Abit strange they released a statement regarding an airline and competitor airport?
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 09:55
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Abit strange they released a statement regarding an airline and competitor airport?
I can't find anything yet about where that statement comes from.
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Old 13th Nov 2020, 10:29
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
I can't find anything yet about where that statement comes from.
The statement was issued to a friend who has a vested interested in CWL when he messaged them regarding the weeks developments.

It is not a general “press release” per se.
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