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Old 20th Oct 2020, 05:19
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Sounds like total BS. I can't travel to the Gower on Saturday for a holiday and they can't leave their area for a trip to the rest of Wales but someone from the Gower and I assume England can travel to Cardiff Airport for holiday in a virus hot spot like The Netherlands or Spain. We have to remember who owns Cardiff Airport. I am thinking if I paid £2000 for a half term holiday that is a legitimate reason to travel.

The airport is considered a key part of national infrastructure so will remain open for essential travel during the lockdown.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 15:26
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
any sign of QR DOH? Though EDI barely managing a third capacity loads, Im surprised thats still being bankrolled!
Regrettably, my field agents inform me they are not going to return.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 15:57
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Originally Posted by Midland Alpha9
Regrettably, my field agents inform me they are not going to return.
Yet I've been told the opposite and flights are onsale from the 29th March 2021. Guess we'll find out eventually!
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 19:41
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
The airport is considered a key part of national infrastructure so will remain open for essential travel during the lockdown.
Any reason for the, charters on there. Cityjet to Venice, Blue Islands to Paris and the Faroe Islands ?? Not normal CWL flights are these people escaping the lockdown ?
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 19:44
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Originally Posted by MARK 101
Any reason for the, charters on there. Cityjet to Venice, Blue Islands to Paris and the Faroe Islands ?? Not normal CWL flights are these people escaping the lockdown ?
Football and rugby teams. Cardiff sees a good amount of sports charters due to having 4 pro rugby teams, 2 championship football teams, 1 pro hockey team and the various national teams for rugby and football men and women in it's catchment area.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 21:33
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Just 13,725 pax in Sept 20 down 93%
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Old 21st Oct 2020, 14:36
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Yet I've been told the opposite and flights are onsale from the 29th March 2021. Guess we'll find out eventually!
Let's hope so the service is a fantastic connection to the Middle East with all the interline connectivity to the Far East. Fingers crossed
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 20:11
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KLM AMS suspended?
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Old 5th Nov 2020, 20:30
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KLM AMS suspended?
Yep until mid February.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 15:51
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Read today that Loganair are basing an aircraft at MME to operate ABZ, BHD, DUB, JER & NQY all in competition with Eastern that only just started there and operate to the same destinations.

Baffles me how a small airport like MME has secured 2 airlines within months (yes I know these have incentives from the Mayor) but I doubt very much MME can support 2 airlines on the same routes.

I would have thought CWL would be out there chasing an airline like Eastern to base another aircraft to compliment VLY and the soon to be BHD. Both EDI & DUB would fit well and also possibly a less frequent JER as these had high passenger figures.

CWL seems to be the only ex-Flybe airport that has been snubbed by Aer Lingus, Aurigny, Blue Islands and Loganair. Just seems weird to me as they would have no competition and pick of the best routes......come on Eastern (or another carrier) give us another J41 or AT7 !!!

At this rate MME, EXT & NQY will all be busier than CWL !!
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 16:11
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
Read today that Loganair are basing an aircraft at MME to operate ABZ, BHD, DUB, JER & NQY all in competition with Eastern that only just started there and operate to the same destinations.

Baffles me how a small airport like MME has secured 2 airlines within months (yes I know these have incentives from the Mayor) but I doubt very much MME can support 2 airlines on the same routes.

I would have thought CWL would be out there chasing an airline like Eastern to base another aircraft to compliment VLY and the soon to be BHD. Both EDI & DUB would fit well and also possibly a less frequent JER as these had high passenger figures.

CWL seems to be the only ex-Flybe airport that has been snubbed by Aer Lingus, Aurigny, Blue Islands and Loganair. Just seems weird to me as they would have no competition and pick of the best routes......come on Eastern (or another carrier) give us another J41 or AT7 !!!

At this rate MME, EXT & NQY will all be busier than CWL !!
You’re right in saying that MME cannot and will not sustain both of these airlines on these routes.

CWL does not need these regional airlines for its own survival - both of which may or may not survive the pandemic.

Holding off is the best thing the management can do right now, in my opinion. It may not bode well for pax figures or how the airport appears to be spending taxpayers money, but CWL has been burned SO many times before that waiting this one out is probably the best thing they can do.

The Senedd cannot be seen to throw money at airlines like the Tees Valley mayor seems to enjoy so much (during a global pandemic)...
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 16:33
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Originally Posted by fanrailuk
You’re right in saying that MME cannot and will not sustain both of these airlines on these routes.

CWL does not need these regional airlines for its own survival - both of which may or may not survive the pandemic.

Holding off is the best thing the management can do right now, in my opinion. It may not bode well for pax figures or how the airport appears to be spending taxpayers money, but CWL has been burned SO many times before that waiting this one out is probably the best thing they can do.

The Senedd cannot be seen to throw money at airlines like the Tees Valley mayor seems to enjoy so much (during a global pandemic)...
Agreed. I have a feeling that money isn't being thrown at Airlines like at other Airports for that exact reason.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 16:51
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Originally Posted by caaardiff
Agreed. I have a feeling that money isn't being thrown at Airlines like at other Airports for that exact reason.
Yeah I do agree with this and guess what I’m trying to say is that I know CWL had their fingers burnt by BMI baby & then Flybe but given Eastern already have one aircraft based, I would have thought EDI & DUB would have fitted in well. COVID-19 pandemic had obviously thrown a spanner into things.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 18:54
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How much did Cardiff throw at Qatar and would that not have been enough to support a broad range of regional connectivity for an awfully long time ? Between that and the Flybe deal, Cardiff wrote the book on these types of arrangements and so there can be no complaints about what happens elsewhere?
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 19:23
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and not forgetting that bmiBaby broke their contract with MME so as to move to CWL...
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 19:31
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I believe CWL (2002) opened as a base before MME (2003). I know WW broke their contract with MME but not sure it had anything to do with CWL.

LCCs can make money at CWL in the summer months but lose a packet in the Winter (typically the summer profits don’t cover the winter losses and provide a return). I remember my previous director saying he wished he could just close the airline (and costs) for 5 months of the year and he would have a great business !! Haha - obviously most of the aircraft (save a few winter leases), crew and employees have to do something.........
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 03:23
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 06:29
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That's a massive blow to Cardiffs recovery as their target passengers will be TUIs passengers. 2020 has been a horrible year for the airport.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 07:13
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
That's a massive blow to Cardiffs recovery as their target passengers will be TUIs passengers. 2020 has been a horrible year for the airport.
The reality is that Bristol's catchment area is very much more affluent than Cardiff's, stretching as it does down the M4 corridor towards London; that is why EasyJet has such a large base there, mainly serving leisure destinations. You can argue whether Summer 2021 is a wise time to embarque on such expansion, but time alone will tell.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 07:25
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I think Jet2 will do very well - TUI have really not covered themselves in glory with their customer service and handling of refunds during this crisis (take a look at TUI Vs Jet2Holidays Trustpilot reviews). I think a lot of people will give them a go (including from the Welsh side of the bridge) especially when some of their poor TUI experiences are so recent. I wonder if CWL were in the mix for a South West base and what they were able to bring to the table ? Anyway, I think avoiding a TUI monopoly on package holidays in the region can only be a good thing for consumers, albeit a blow for the Welsh airport. Jet2’s customer service reputation and string of awards is enviable. They also have a lot of support from independent agents and the likes of Hays travel (who now have a sizeable presence in South Wales). Whether TUI will have a response to this for the region time will tell. TUI seem a bit slow and not hugely nimble (in comparison) during this current climate.

Jet2 could overtake TUI in terms of ATOL licences in the near future - quite an achievement. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them at LGW before long.
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