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Old 4th Mar 2020, 20:59
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
Hopefully DUB, EDI & CDG will remain as priorities

I wonder if Eastern CWL recruitment was in preparation for the BE news/situation?

Could Eastern stand on and cover the other BE routes from CWL ?
DUB, EDI, CDG and BHD would be the priorities but I would not hold out to much hope as airline's like Ryanair and Aer Lingus may well be quite happy for Welsh passengers to travel to Bristol while Air France might be happy for people to use KLM or travel to London. As for Belfast it depends if anyone fills the hole.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 21:12
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
DUB, EDI, CDG and BHD would be the priorities but I would not hold out to much hope as airline's like Ryanair and Aer Lingus may well be quite happy for Welsh passengers to travel to Bristol while Air France might be happy for people to use KLM or travel to London. As for Belfast it depends if anyone fills the hole.
I would imagine Loganair would seriously look at EDI as it’ll fit in nicely to their schedules and think this route would be snapped up quite quickly.

Eastern would most probably reactivate their booking engine and carry on with ABZ, VLY and MME.

Agree that ORK will most probably disappear leaving just BHD, DUB & CDG as the “main” destinations to attract new airlines.

If Blue Islands survive too then I’d guess they may consider JER.

If only Wales had its own airline......just like Scotland and Loganair !!

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Old 4th Mar 2020, 21:45
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Would it be too much capacity if U2 started flights to CWL from their EDI,BFS,CDG bases with A319s? Although i suspect they'd probably get that share of CWL pax thru their BRS services now...
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 21:54
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Originally Posted by mariofly12
Would it be too much capacity if U2 started flights to CWL from their EDI,BFS,CDG bases with A319s? Although i suspect they'd probably get that share of CWL pax thru their BRS services now...
The airport have engaged with Easyjet many times and said live in radio tuesday morning that Easyjets response is always that they are quite happy to attract Welsh passengers over to Bristol and don't want to operate from Cardiff.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 22:25
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I wonder how many Scotland Rugby fans now find themselves without flight ahead of the match on the 14th.
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 22:32
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
I wonder how many Scotland Rugby fans now find themselves without flight ahead of the match on the 14th.
They might find someone like Loganair or Jet2 put on flights for them for the rugby. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 12:13
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Loganair

Seems the CWL-EDI route will continue with Loganair starting flights on Monday 23 March.

1 x daily flight on board an E145

Source; Loganair.com
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 12:24
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I suppose we should be grateful for anything but that is a big route to be 1xdaily on an E145. More passengers to be lost to Bristol.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 12:36
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Originally Posted by fanrailuk
Seems the CWL-EDI route will continue with Loganair starting flights on Monday 23 March.

1 x daily flight on board an E145

Source; Loganair.com
I wonder if this would increase to more than x1 daily as there is an obvious market ex CWL to EDI that warrants more than 1 flight a day.

Maybe the frequency will increase once established.

What about the other main destinations of CDG, BHD and DUB ? Any plans to replace these routes with alternate carriers ??
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
I wonder if this would increase to more than x1 daily as there is an obvious market ex CWL to EDI that warrants more than 1 flight a day.

Maybe the frequency will increase once established.

What about the other main destinations of CDG, BHD and DUB ? Any plans to replace these routes with alternate carriers ??
From September it'll go to 10 weekly. Hopefully over time as they expand it'll go to at least double daily and fingers crossed eventually they'll add Belfast.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 15:51
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
From September it'll go to 10 weekly. Hopefully over time as they expand it'll go to at least double daily and fingers crossed eventually they'll add Belfast.
Its great seeing Loganair respond quickly to the whole sad demise of BE with EDI.

Surely someone must be see the potential with CDG, DUB & BHD. Eastern are going head to head with Loganair on 3 ex Flybe SOU routes and with the advertising for CWL you’d have thought they’d look at these 3 priority routes.

Its also commented on the SOU page that Stobart “may” look at DUB from both SOU & CWL and I’m guessing for EI Regional.

People are also hopeful that Blue Islands take over JER or would this be a good catch for Aurigny ??

Shame there is no Air Wales to takeover these key routes

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Old 7th Mar 2020, 15:24
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Instead of giving more money to CWL, the Welsh Government should create a small regional airline to serve Wales - I wonder if this would ever be an option or just wishful thinking

Bit like the Air Wales days with 1 to 2 ATR 42 size aircraft to serve BHD,DUB & CDG as the core routes initially.

Before BMI baby, Air Wales were more or less due to start EDI & GLA which meant they had to look at other routes which were not as popular.

There is an obvious market for most of the ex Flybe routes from CWL notably these 3 destinations. Many may think that if they were that popular they’d be snapped up already but with the current market & situation not feasible for other regional airlines like Eastern, Aurigny or Loganair but surely a different story if Wales had its own well managed airline?

Just my thoughts on the whole of the situation following this week.
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 15:41
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I can just imagine the reaction to the Welsh government setting up their own airline! It would not be pretty!
As for the loans given to CWL the money is to be used on important things like runway resurfacing, new security scanners and upgrading the ILS system to CAT2 and no doubt continued investment in the terminal and some is set aside for route development as well I believe.
It may take a while but I'm sure eventually most of the ex Flybe routes will be regained.
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 15:47
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
I can just imagine the reaction to the Welsh government setting up their own airline! It would not be pretty!
As for the loans given to CWL the money is to be used on important things like runway resurfacing, new security scanners and upgrading the ILS system to CAT2 and no doubt continued investment in the terminal and some is set aside for route development as well I believe.
It may take a while but I'm sure eventually most of the ex Flybe routes will be regained.
Well maybe not a state owned airline but certainly a private one. The old Air Wales grew a tidy network but certainly was chaotic with 5 aircraft on some low yield routes. But with the loss of BHD, DUB & CDG these would be ideal as the passenger figures were very high in these 3 routes especially.
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
Well maybe not a state owned airline but certainly a private one. The old Air Wales grew a tidy network but certainly was chaotic with 5 aircraft on some low yield routes. But with the loss of BHD, DUB & CDG these would be ideal as the passenger figures were very high in these 3 routes especially.
I fear we may be entering the realms of fantasy here.
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Old 7th Mar 2020, 16:30
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
Well maybe not a state owned airline but certainly a private one. The old Air Wales grew a tidy network but certainly was chaotic with 5 aircraft on some low yield routes. But with the loss of BHD, DUB & CDG these would be ideal as the passenger figures were very high in these 3 routes especially.
I've no doubt the those routes are profitable but profitable enough to sustain a national carrier especially with Edinburgh taken up. Any carrier that wants to make Cardiff a profitable base would essentially need domination of the sun routes as well which would be hard at the moment because of Vueling and Ryanair on them.
I generally think Wales needs the airlines like Aer Lingus, Air France and Ryanair more than a national airline as they have not just the connections but also the profile not just amongst their own countries people and Europe but also the people of Wales itself.
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 19:41
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I see British Airways are operating a CWL-EDI charter (BA7036) on 15/03/2020 according to the departure board online, obviously connected with the Six Nations Rugby.

Does anyone know if this is mainline BA or BA CityFlyer and what aircraft ?
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
I see British Airways are operating a CWL-EDI charter (BA7036) on 15/03/2020 according to the departure board online, obviously connected with the Six Nations Rugby.

Does anyone know if this is mainline BA or BA CityFlyer and what aircraft ?
Some Trade Air in from France as well. I'd imagine that the BA will be Cityflyer.
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Some Trade Air in from France as well. I'd imagine that the BA will be Cityflyer.
That will start the rumours off about BA coming to CWL to replace BE lol...
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
That will start the rumours off about BA coming to CWL to replace BE lol...
No doubt it will! Lol
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