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[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by daz211

Would be nice to see a link to STN, from Anglesey, with all the possibilities on self connection at STN it would be an amazing addition to Valley Airport.

Looking forward to reading the business case...

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Looking forward to reading the business case...

I remember when Carwyn Jones was FM he mentioned Heathrow when the third runway opened but I'm pretty sure it'll never happen.

[caaardiff]

Originally Posted by daz211

Would be nice to see a link to STN, from Anglesey, with all the possibilities on self connection at STN it would be an amazing addition to Valley Airport.

Not many people want to self connect. STN only really offers loco and charter self connections. Self connecting as you put it is very risky if anything goes wrong on the way. LGW or LHR would offer a much better range of connection options and with underlining or through connection is a lot safer. That being said, MAN is easily accessible by train and road from North Wales.

[daz211]

Originally Posted by caaardiff

Not many people want to self connect. STN only really offers loco and charter self connections. Self connecting as you put it is very risky if anything goes wrong on the way. LGW or LHR would offer a much better range of connection options and with underlining or through connection is a lot safer. That being said, MAN is easily accessible by train and road from North Wales.

I’ll think you’ll find 100’s self connect through STN everyday and believe it or not, getting to MAN from Anglesey is not that easy by train, maybe if there was direct services it might be different.

[caaardiff]

Originally Posted by daz211

I’ll think you’ll find 100’s self connect through STN everyday and believe it or not, getting to MAN from Anglesey is not that easy by train, maybe if there was direct services it might be different.

Not from Anglesey, but there is an hourly train from Llandudno which is part of the catchment area that VLY would serve.

STN is a huge Airport with 100's of flights a day from many different markets. Bearing in mind the opening time of VLY, would a twice daily flight really be timed sufficiently for anyone to self connect and would the North West of Wales really support such flights?
The market that STN serves is mainly low cost Airlines or charter. Unless the VLY-STN is subsidised, which it will highly unlikely be allowed to be, then the cost of operating that flight would result in high flight costs.

[PDXCWL45]

CAA Stats for October 2019
137,203 passengers used the airport in October down 2.1% on 2018. The rolling year was 1,667,098 passengers up 6.4% on 2018.
Atm's were 1365 -11.8%.
Top 10 routes
1. Amsterdam 14,258
2. Palma de Mallorca 11,532
3. Alicante 10,813
4. Edinburgh 10,427
5. Malaga 9356
6. Dublin 8128
7. Doha 7387
8. Tenerife 6353
9. Paris CDG 6246
10. Faro 5513

[bycrewlgw]

Not bad figures for the month and year considering. Guess we will have to wait until this time next year to see the real hit from TCXs demise. Hope the airport can pull a few more routes out of the bag before then.

whats going on with TUI? Holidays announced for winter 20/21 and summer 21 but seems well down with routes cut if that is the final version? Hoping they’ll announce more just seems strange.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by bycrewlgw

Not bad figures for the month and year considering. Guess we will have to wait until this time next year to see the real hit from TCXs demise. Hope the airport can pull a few more routes out of the bag before then.

whats going on with TUI? Holidays announced for winter 20/21 and summer 21 but seems well down with routes cut if that is the final version? Hoping they’ll announce more just seems strange.

I'd be surprised if any new routes came now, maybe some airlines will add frequencies on current routes fingers crossed.

As for TUI winter is roughly the same as 2019/20, they never seem to really offer much beyond a basic schedule during winter with 1 based aircraft.
Summer 2021 is only the first release so I'd expect some more at a later date.
I think CWL will now start looking towards 2021 and trying to get a 4th based aircraft from TUI and more from the other airlines that serve it.

[PDXCWL45]

NEW ROUTE
TUI have put Sharm el Sheikh onsale for winter 2020/21 from Cardiff_Airport 1 weekly on Mondays.

[Letsflycwl]

I assume the SSH will replace the HRG ? Or are we having both of them ?

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

I assume the SSH will replace the HRG ? Or are we having both of them ?

HRG doesn't operate in the winter only summer but isn't onsale for summer 2021 and to be honest I'd be surprised if Sharm el Sheikh for the winter actually happens!

[PDXCWL45]

Wales Euro 2020 draw
v Switzerland in Baku 13/6/20
v Turkey in Baku 17/6/20
v Italy in Rome 21/6/20
Cardiff airport should hopefully see a decent amount of charters for those games especially Rome and hopefully we'll see some 737 flights from KLM fingers crossed!

[PDXCWL45]

I noticed a few interesting numbers in the article linked below about the Qatar Airways route at CWL. I've highlighted what i feel are key points.
From May to October 2019 the route saw 50,000 passengers use it which was an increase of 6,000 up 13.5% on 2018.
The split of passengers is 52% originating from the UK and 48% are visitors, also 18% of the UK passengers are from England, for the airport as a whole 4% of it's passengers are from England.
11% of the passengers use the route for Business and 89% for leisure.
The most popular final destinations from Cardiff are Doha 11%, Bangkok 10%, Perth and Sydney 6%, Bali 4% and Kuwait, Lahore, Kuala Lumpur and Amristar all at 3% and Auckland 2%.
Inbound the route is attracting more numbers especially from Qatar and also Oman and Kuwait.
It was noted that the route isn't maximising it's freight potential especially outbound and that the popularity of Thailand could be exploited more especially in the winter and that there was a good opportunity for Wales fans travelling to New Zealand in the summer to use the route.
With the route 18 months old the figures are encouraging that the route is maturing well compared to Birmingham and is on track for it's 4 year maturity level. The question then will be whether Qatar deploy bigger aircraft or add frequency if the route gets to the maturity level needed.
https://www.business-live.co.uk/econ...r9YjQMqS4Hw_2A

[PDXCWL45]

Summer 2020 from Cardiff Airport airlines, routes, frequencies and days operated.
KLM
Amsterdam 20 weekly 3 daily except on Sunday when it's 2 daily.
Qatar Airways
Doha 7 weekly 1 daily flight.
Flybe
Edinburgh 18 weekly 3 daily Monday to Friday, 1 daily on Saturdays, 2 daily Sunday.
Dublin 18 weekly 3 daily Monday to Friday, 1 daily on Saturdays, 2 daily Sunday.
Belfast City 7 weekly 1 daily flight
Paris CDG 7 weekly 1 daily flight
Jersey 5 weekly Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Cork 3 weekly Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday.
Loganair
Glasgow 8 weekly daily Monday to Thursday, 2 daily Friday and Sunday, no flight on Saturday.
Eastern Airways (Flybe Franchise)
Anglesey 10 weekly 2 daily Monday to Friday no flights on the weekend.
Aberdeen 6 weekly does not operate on Saturdays.
Newcastle 6 weekly does not operate on Saturdays.
BH Air
Burgas 1 weekly Sunday
Vueling
Malaga 4 weekly Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
Mallorca 3 weekly Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays.
Alicante 6 weekly no flight on Fridays.
Ryanair
Barcelona 2 weekly Tuesday and Saturday.
Faro 2 weekly Monday and Friday.
Malta 2 weekly Wednesday and Sunday.
Malaga 3 weekly Monday, Wednesday and Friday but only for June, July and August.
TUI
PMI 6 weekly Sunday, Monday, 2 daily on Tuesday, Friday and Saturday
Menorca 2 weekly Monday and Friday
Ibiza 3 weekly Wednesday, Friday and Saturday
Alicante 2 weekly Tuesday and Saturday
Malaga 2 weekly Sunday and Wednesday
Lanzarote 2 weekly Sunday and Thursday
Tenerife 3 weekly Monday, Tuesday and Friday
Reus 1 weekly Tuesday
Faro 1 weekly Thursday
Hurghada 1 weekly Monday
Enfidha 1 weekly Friday
Burgas 1 weekly Monday
Gran Canaria 1 weekly Thursday and Saturday
Corfu 2 weekly Monday and Friday
Zante 2 weekly Tuesday and Friday
Rhodes 2 weekly Wednesday and Saturday
Kos 2 weekly Wednesday and Saturday
Kefalonia 1 weekly Tuesday
Heraklion 1 weekly Sunday
Paphos 2 weekly Sunday and Wednesday
Dalaman 3 weekly Monday, Tuesday and Thursday
Antalya 2 weekly Sunday and Thursday
Dubrovnik 1 weekly Thursday
Naples 1 weekly Wednesday
Larnaca 1 weekly Sunday

[supermarine]

There is a massive Tenerife sized hole in this schedule

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by supermarine

There is a massive Tenerife sized hole in this schedule

Yep a loss of 2 weekly flights with Ryanair pulling the route and Thomas Cook going bust.

[Letsflycwl]

Have Loganair increased the GLA frequency to x2 daily as of March 2020?

Seen some posts lately confirming this.....you’d have thought CWL would be advertising this on their webpage......12 flights a week is much better all round.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

Have Loganair increased the GLA frequency to x2 daily as of March 2020?

Seen some posts lately confirming this.....you’d have thought CWL would be advertising this on their webpage......12 flights a week is much better all round.

Looks like that they are adding extra flights Monday to Thursday.

[Letsflycwl]

Well that’s better than a kick in the teeth - you’d have thought CWL would have announced thus informing potential customers of this increase.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

Well that’s better than a kick in the teeth - you’d have thought CWL would have announced thus informing potential customers of this increase.

Actually looking at it, it might be that they are changing the times to an evening flight as the 12.15 departure says sold out.