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New cocktail bar for the departures lounge. Looks like it could be temporary.
And Qatar Airways see Cardiff as a long term route.
https://www.business-live.co.uk/regi...first-16701011
https://www.business-live.co.uk/regi...first-16701011
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Well that's what they said!
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the CWL-DOH is often compared to NCL-DXB route. I saw yesterday on the CAA website that in its first year EK carried 44,000 from NCL not sure of the load factor but that couldn’t have been great either. As others have said, QR could actually be making money on this route. 👍🏻
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the CWL-DOH is often compared to NCL-DXB route. I saw yesterday on the CAA website that in its first year EK carried 44,000 from NCL not sure of the load factor but that couldn’t have been great either. As others have said, QR could actually be making money on this route. 👍🏻
it it is great that, if you live in South Wales, there is an easy way to reach destinations beyond Doha on a daily basis. However, at the moment the route appears to be struggling and Cardiff is fortunate that the airlines pockets appear to be extremely deep. It might eventually get to where it needs to be but I would say the jury is still out on this. Meanwhile the airport will be working hard to make it sustainable so let us hope they are successful in encouraging growth in volumes and yield.
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Newcastle-Dubai commenced September 1st 2007 so, if your first year analysis is for 2007, that was just four months operation. UK-Doha will always struggle as it is not a large destination in its own right. I have been to both Doha and Dubai. I am not convinced the World Cup alone is going to change that. So it is not right to compare the two routes - different airlines, different destinations, different catchments in respect of competition from other airports. The list could go on....
it it is great that, if you live in South Wales, there is an easy way to reach destinations beyond Doha on a daily basis. However, at the moment the route appears to be struggling and Cardiff is fortunate that the airlines pockets appear to be extremely deep. It might eventually get to where it needs to be but I would say the jury is still out on this. Meanwhile the airport will be working hard to make it sustainable so let us hope they are successful in encouraging growth in volumes and yield.
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208,322 passengers used the airport in July. Rolling year was 1,648,000 up 8% according to the airport.
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news/2019/08/08/cardiff-airport-reports-busiest-july-in-over-a-decade/
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news/2019/08/08/cardiff-airport-reports-busiest-july-in-over-a-decade/
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Is the Welsh government offering an incentive or subsidiaries for Qatar to operate the route? If so, the proof in the pudding will be, if they continue when these finish.
Qatar Airways are in a qaundry, they are barred from operating to numerous Middle Eastern countries at the moment, due to a political spat between these countries and the Qatar government. It was hoped it would all be resolved in a few weeks, but that was 3-4 years ago! Then when the airline have a huge orders for wide bodied airvryaft, which they can usually fill on short haul routes feeding Middle Eastern passengers through their mega hub, they are now unsure what to do with all these aircraft. Then hence why Qatar are now at Cardiff operating routes which many airlines would consider marginal.
I think the smaller 787-8 makes these routes work from an economic stand point and are operating to a number of smaller European cities which previously would not be considered for such routes to the Middle East, like Gothenburg, Malta, Sarajevo, etc...
The airline has been quite conservative with their prices, and not flooding the market with crazy prices. While they offer some fairly decent prices, the deals are usually UK wide deals and Cardiff rarely gets any cheaper fares than other UK airport they operate from, from when I've been looking at fares.
The idea was of travelling on a long haul flight, which is only half full snd been able to spread out, sounds a dream to me. Might be a reason to use the route!
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It would definitely be interesting to know how some of the other new european routes are getting on.
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Well looking through the Birmingham forum, it would appear they are only achieving 55% loads on Qatar Airways routes too, and has been operating from there for several years now.
Is the Welsh government offering an incentive or subsidiaries for Qatar to operate the route? If so, the proof in the pudding will be, if they continue when these finish.
Qatar Airways are in a qaundry, they are barred from operating to numerous Middle Eastern countries at the moment, due to a political spat between these countries and the Qatar government. It was hoped it would all be resolved in a few weeks, but that was 3-4 years ago! Then when the airline have a huge orders for wide bodied airvryaft, which they can usually fill on short haul routes feeding Middle Eastern passengers through their mega hub, they are now unsure what to do with all these aircraft. Then hence why Qatar are now at Cardiff operating routes which many airlines would consider marginal.
I think the smaller 787-8 makes these routes work from an economic stand point and are operating to a number of smaller European cities which previously would not be considered for such routes to the Middle East, like Gothenburg, Malta, Sarajevo, etc...
The airline has been quite conservative with their prices, and not flooding the market with crazy prices. While they offer some fairly decent prices, the deals are usually UK wide deals and Cardiff rarely gets any cheaper fares than other UK airport they operate from, from when I've been looking at fares.
The idea was of travelling on a long haul flight, which is only half full snd been able to spread out, sounds a dream to me. Might be a reason to use the route!
Is the Welsh government offering an incentive or subsidiaries for Qatar to operate the route? If so, the proof in the pudding will be, if they continue when these finish.
Qatar Airways are in a qaundry, they are barred from operating to numerous Middle Eastern countries at the moment, due to a political spat between these countries and the Qatar government. It was hoped it would all be resolved in a few weeks, but that was 3-4 years ago! Then when the airline have a huge orders for wide bodied airvryaft, which they can usually fill on short haul routes feeding Middle Eastern passengers through their mega hub, they are now unsure what to do with all these aircraft. Then hence why Qatar are now at Cardiff operating routes which many airlines would consider marginal.
I think the smaller 787-8 makes these routes work from an economic stand point and are operating to a number of smaller European cities which previously would not be considered for such routes to the Middle East, like Gothenburg, Malta, Sarajevo, etc...
The airline has been quite conservative with their prices, and not flooding the market with crazy prices. While they offer some fairly decent prices, the deals are usually UK wide deals and Cardiff rarely gets any cheaper fares than other UK airport they operate from, from when I've been looking at fares.
The idea was of travelling on a long haul flight, which is only half full snd been able to spread out, sounds a dream to me. Might be a reason to use the route!
55% was just May for BHX - 2018 was 121002 pax averaging 165 pax per flight with a 65% load factor. 2019 - January 72%, Feb 73%, March 73%, April 82% (no doubt some EK pax), May 55% and June 58%. Manchester and Edinburgh were only a bit better but went on to get increased capacity this summer.
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The Flybe base will be reduced to 2 based aircraft from the 23rd September.
Glasgow will end on the 20th September.
Belfast will be reduced to 6 weekly.
Apart from some time changes on Paris the rest looks unchanged.
Glasgow will end on the 20th September.
Belfast will be reduced to 6 weekly.
Apart from some time changes on Paris the rest looks unchanged.
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Slightly embarrassing for Cardiff Airport that the Welsh rugby team No1 in the world are travelling to Turkey with Thomas Cook from Bristol because there are no flights to Turkey on a Sunday!
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Qatar Airways for May 2020 are down to operate Doha 6 weekly with no flight on Wednesdays and it goes daily from the last week of May. It was 5 weekly in 2019.
In September and October KLM will upgrade the 09.45 departure to an E190 and as well the Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday (October only) 06.05 departures will be an E190 meaning on those days CWL will have 2 E190 and 1 E175 departures.
For winter the E190 will operate the 06.05 everyday except Sunday as there isn't one until the end of March.
Some good news for Cardiff.
In September and October KLM will upgrade the 09.45 departure to an E190 and as well the Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday (October only) 06.05 departures will be an E190 meaning on those days CWL will have 2 E190 and 1 E175 departures.
For winter the E190 will operate the 06.05 everyday except Sunday as there isn't one until the end of March.
Some good news for Cardiff.
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CAA Stats July 2019
The airport saw 208,044 passengers use it in July up 8.3% on 2018. The rolling year was 1,645,979 up 7.7% on 2018.
Atms for July was 1839 up 3.1% on 2018. 165 tonnes of freight went through the airport.
Top 10 routes
1. Palma de Mallorca 19,070
2. Malaga 14,935
3. Amsterdam 14,058
4. Alicante 12,211
5. Edinburgh 11,010
6. Doha 10,558
7. Dublin 8776
8. Tenerife South 8516
9. Dalaman 8237
10. Paris CDG 7807
The airport saw 208,044 passengers use it in July up 8.3% on 2018. The rolling year was 1,645,979 up 7.7% on 2018.
Atms for July was 1839 up 3.1% on 2018. 165 tonnes of freight went through the airport.
Top 10 routes
1. Palma de Mallorca 19,070
2. Malaga 14,935
3. Amsterdam 14,058
4. Alicante 12,211
5. Edinburgh 11,010
6. Doha 10,558
7. Dublin 8776
8. Tenerife South 8516
9. Dalaman 8237
10. Paris CDG 7807
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And Amsterdam is up by 8%. The new TUI routes and extra flights seem to be doing well. And at only 2 weekly Ryanair's Barcelona flight is only 8% less than last years Vueling which was 3 weekly and Malta looks to be doing good as well.
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CAA Stats July 2019
Domestic
Anglesey 1426 -5%
Belfast City 6480 -3%
East Midalnds 47
Edinburgh 11,010 +16%
Glasgow 3164 +21%
Jersey 1657 -24%
Newcastle 513 -58%
Stornoway 58
European
Dubrovnik 1357
Larnaca 3442 -1%
Paphos 3094 +110%
Nice 40
Paris CDG 7807 -4%
Tarbes-Lourdes 108
Munich 1470 -1%
Gibraltar 58
Corfu 3098 +107%
Heraklion 1698 -9%
Keffalinia 1804 -2%
Kos 2392 +95%
Rhodes 5067 +90%
Zakinthos 6380 +32%
Cork 1135 -24%
Dublin 8776 -9%
Bergamo 41
Milan MXP 1419 -48%
Naples 1792
Rome FCO 1461 -13%
Venice 1082 -22%
Verona 1318 +10%
Malta 3128
Amsterdam 14,058 +8%
Faro 6952 -19%
Alicante 12,211 +15%
Barcelona 3275 -8%
Ibiza 4690 -22%
Mahon 4508 +46%
Malaga 14,935 +44%
Palma de Mallorca 19,070 -2%
Reus 3372 +3%
Arrecife 2941 -34%
Las Palmas 1479 +1%
Tenerife South 8516 +17%
Burgas 2885 -41%
International
Antalya 2954 +8%
Dalaman 8237 +11%
Hurghada 1637
Enfidha 3347
Doha 10,558 +4%
Boston 2
Domestic
Anglesey 1426 -5%
Belfast City 6480 -3%
East Midalnds 47
Edinburgh 11,010 +16%
Glasgow 3164 +21%
Jersey 1657 -24%
Newcastle 513 -58%
Stornoway 58
European
Dubrovnik 1357
Larnaca 3442 -1%
Paphos 3094 +110%
Nice 40
Paris CDG 7807 -4%
Tarbes-Lourdes 108
Munich 1470 -1%
Gibraltar 58
Corfu 3098 +107%
Heraklion 1698 -9%
Keffalinia 1804 -2%
Kos 2392 +95%
Rhodes 5067 +90%
Zakinthos 6380 +32%
Cork 1135 -24%
Dublin 8776 -9%
Bergamo 41
Milan MXP 1419 -48%
Naples 1792
Rome FCO 1461 -13%
Venice 1082 -22%
Verona 1318 +10%
Malta 3128
Amsterdam 14,058 +8%
Faro 6952 -19%
Alicante 12,211 +15%
Barcelona 3275 -8%
Ibiza 4690 -22%
Mahon 4508 +46%
Malaga 14,935 +44%
Palma de Mallorca 19,070 -2%
Reus 3372 +3%
Arrecife 2941 -34%
Las Palmas 1479 +1%
Tenerife South 8516 +17%
Burgas 2885 -41%
International
Antalya 2954 +8%
Dalaman 8237 +11%
Hurghada 1637
Enfidha 3347
Doha 10,558 +4%
Boston 2
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For Ryanair the load factors seem relatively decent. Ryanair's average for July was 97%.
BCN has 3064 (211 were on a diverted charter flight - Thanks to the poster below for the information) passengers so had a load factor of 90.0%.
MLA has 3128 passengers so had a load factor of 92.0%.
Impossible to tell for the others as there's competition on those routes.
BCN has 3064 (211 were on a diverted charter flight - Thanks to the poster below for the information) passengers so had a load factor of 90.0%.
MLA has 3128 passengers so had a load factor of 92.0%.
Impossible to tell for the others as there's competition on those routes.
Last edited by RedDragonFlyer; 30th Aug 2019 at 11:07. Reason: Better informed poster below.
