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[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Wycombe

Flybe online timetable appears to now be showing some flights from 27th Oct.....

EDI looks like 3 flights daily (weekdays) - first outbound at 0920
DUB looks like 3 daily (weekdays) - first outbound at 0700 (indicates a night-stopping aircraft?)
CDG daily departing at 0840 on weekdays
NCL daily departing at 1025 on weekdays (op by Eastern)
VLY looks to operate as today (op by Eastern)
BHD daily departing 1330 weekdays
ORK Tues and Thurs departing 1035
JER Mon, Weds, Fri departing at 1035
GLA nothing direct showing, neither for FCO, MUC, VCE, VRN or MXP

There might be more I didn't find, but I guess this was what was to be expected?

I'm quite surprised by it especially as it would come to at least a 2 aircraft base and there will be at least 1 aircraft based/overnighted there as Paris on the Sunday has a 07.00 departure. Paris looks like it'll be operated by a Belfast based aircraft.
It looks like this.

Edinburgh 18 weekly with 3 daily Monday to Friday 1 daily on Saturday and 2 daily Sunday non based aircraft earliest departure 09.20.

Dublin 19 weekly with 3 daily Sunday to Friday 1 daily Saturday based/overnight aircraft except Sunday earliest departure 07.00.

Cork 3 weekly Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday.

Jersey 4 weekly Sunday,Monday, Wednesday and Friday

Paris CDG 8 weekly daily Monday to Saturday 2 daily Sunday

Belfast 7 weekly daily non based

Comes to 59 weekly departures so far. It also looks like they will be adding extra aircraft to their Belfast and Edinburgh bases. Does beg the question if they are operating such a comprehensive schedule why close the base? Especially as they will be basing/overnighting an aircraft anyway.
CWL does lose it's ski routes by the looks of it and as expected Italy, Germany and Portugal go.

[caaardiff]

Originally Posted by PDXCWL45

I'm quite surprised by it especially as it would come to at least a 2 aircraft base and there will be at least 1 aircraft based/overnighted there as Paris on the Sunday has a 07.00 departure. Paris looks like it'll be operated by a Belfast based aircraft.
It looks like this.

Edinburgh 18 weekly with 3 daily Monday to Friday 1 daily on Saturday and 2 daily Sunday non based aircraft earliest departure 09.20.

Dublin 19 weekly with 3 daily Sunday to Friday 1 daily Saturday based/overnight aircraft except Sunday earliest departure 07.00.

Cork 3 weekly Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday.

Jersey 4 weekly Sunday,Monday, Wednesday and Friday

Paris CDG 8 weekly daily Monday to Saturday 2 daily Sunday

Belfast 7 weekly daily non based

Comes to 59 weekly departures so far. It also looks like they will be adding extra aircraft to their Belfast and Edinburgh bases. Does beg the question if they are operating such a comprehensive schedule why close the base? Especially as they will be basing/overnighting an aircraft anyway.
CWL does lose it's ski routes by the looks of it and as expected Italy, Germany and Portugal go.

Despite the kick in the teeth for the CWL based crews that have been made redundant, this is actually pretty good news for CWL.

I have a feeling that as more routes have been kept than expected, with EDI and DUB seeing further increases in weekly total flights that Flybe either couldn't get out of the contract they had with the Welsh Government, or the Government has negotiated a new deal. Hopefully they aren't throwing any new money at this and it's all from the original deal. I'm surprised ORK and JER have survived which leads me to believe the WG have pulled the strings on this one as well.
Hopefully EDI and DUB can support the 3x daily which offers great options for people wanting to fly and hopefully it's not too late for the release and people haven't booked elsewhere for the Winter.
59 weekly flights can't be that much of a drop from the current number. Does anyone know how many weekly flights Flybe operate currently?

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by caaardiff

Despite the kick in the teeth for the CWL based crews that have been made redundant, this is actually pretty good news for CWL.

I have a feeling that as more routes have been kept than expected, with EDI and DUB seeing further increases in weekly total flights that Flybe either couldn't get out of the contract they had with the Welsh Government, or the Government has negotiated a new deal. Hopefully they aren't throwing any new money at this and it's all from the original deal. I'm surprised ORK and JER have survived which leads me to believe the WG have pulled the strings on this one as well.
Hopefully EDI and DUB can support the 3x daily which offers great options for people wanting to fly and hopefully it's not too late for the release and people haven't booked elsewhere for the Winter.
59 weekly flights can't be that much of a drop from the current number. Does anyone know how many weekly flights Flybe operate currently?

It is better than expected, as i think many were just expecting it to be a lot less. At the moment Flybe operates about 70 departures a week off the top of my head and on routes like EDI and DUB there will be an increase in flights. It's still disappointing that they couldn't keep the base open especially considdering the size of the current schedule. Of course in July Connect take over properly so maybe they will be amenable to it reopening in the future.
With EDI now not having a 07.00 departure it will be interesting to see how the route does compared to this year.
In total Flybe will lose 7 routes, Geneva, Chambery, Glasgow, Munich, Rome, Verona and Venice. Hopefully those routes will be picked up by other airlines.

[Letsflycwl]

I thought that GVA was staying with the Dash 8 - someone reported this elsewhere ?

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

I thought that GVA was staying with the Dash 8 - someone reported this elsewhere ?

Well when i checked it wasn't on the timetable unless they are going to add it later or just run it as a pure charter. At the moment all the info we have is off the timetable which is currently unavailable.

[caaardiff]

It starts the end of December.

[PDXCWL45]

At the moment this is what CWL will look like at peak in winter 2019/20 for weekly departures.
Flybe 60 weekly departures (4680 departing seats assumed all Q400)
KLM 20 weekly departures (1832 departing seats)
Eastern Airways 16 weekly departures (364 departing seats)
TUI 11 weekly departures (2079 departing seats)
Qatar Airways 5 weekly departures (1270 departing seats)
Vueling 5 weekly departures (930 departing seats)
Ryanair 4 weekly departures (756 departing seats)
121 weekly departures in total. (11,911 departing seats)
Overnighting aircraft will be 1 Flybe Q400 tbc, 1 Eastern Airways J41, 1 TUI 737 800 and 1 KLM E190.
It also looks like the KLM overnight aircraft will be an E190 all winter from the end of October to the end of March.

[RedDragonFlyer]

This is pretty good news for CWL. You're right. Many were expecting much worse from flybe closing the base. The only thing that surprises me is the lack of Glasgow flight.

What happened to those KLM 737 flights to Cardiff too? It was very random to just offer the flights for a month and a bit. I'm not expecting mainline flights to Cardiff, but it would be good to get an extra afternoon departure.

[mwm991]

Originally Posted by RedDragonFlyer

This is pretty good news for CWL. You're right. Many were expecting much worse from flybe closing the base. The only thing that surprises me is the lack of Glasgow flight.

What happened to those KLM 737 flights to Cardiff too? It was very random to just offer the flights for a month and a bit. I'm not expecting mainline flights to Cardiff, but it would be good to get an extra afternoon departure.

Would imagine Loganair will pick up the Glasgow flight?

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by RedDragonFlyer

This is pretty good news for CWL. You're right. Many were expecting much worse from flybe closing the base. The only thing that surprises me is the lack of Glasgow flight.

What happened to those KLM 737 flights to Cardiff too? It was very random to just offer the flights for a month and a bit. I'm not expecting mainline flights to Cardiff, but it would be good to get an extra afternoon departure.

With Glasgow I can only just assume it wasn't profitable.
As for KLM that 737 was odd. I'm starting to believe it may have been Brexit related so KLM can keep the 4th frequency if they wanted to.

[fanrailuk]

Winter Ski Routes

According to Flybe's social media, Chambéry (CMF) will be on sale from CWL in early June.

This will add to the already weekly GVA which will continue in W19/20 and recommences on 14th December.

[caaardiff]

Originally Posted by PDXCWL45

With Glasgow I can only just assume it wasn't profitable.
As for KLM that 737 was odd. I'm starting to believe it may have been Brexit related so KLM can keep the 4th frequency if they wanted to.

Why would it be Brexit related?

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by caaardiff

Why would it be Brexit related?

If I remember correctly there was talk of the amount of flights from/to the EU being restricted to the same as 2018 for 2019 in the likelihood of a no deal Brexit and I believe that the IATA year is April to the end of March. So I just wonder if they were KLM making sure that they had a 4th daily flight to Cardiff if they needed it. Just a theory. No doubt I'm probably way off.

[Letsflycwl]

I wonder if Loganair would be interested in taking over the GLA service? They tend to have a large presence at GLA these days so it could be a perfect fit.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

I wonder if Loganair would be interested in taking over the GLA service? They tend to have a large presence at GLA these days so it could be a perfect fit.

They probably are the only other option but it could be that the route is just not profitable and maybe Cork being retained is evidence of that.

[Letsflycwl]

Yeah very true, mid you back in the Air Wales day we used to have a daily ORK flight and that was always pretty full.

Maybe the EM4 or EM3 aircraft of Loganair be a better fit for GLA over the Flybe E75......who knows.

[yeo valley]

No E75 running out of CWL,all dash 8 aircraft. They are cheaper to run than the E75. Its not the bums on seats that count,but its the yeid that counts.Airlines are a business to make money ,and not a charity.

[shamrock7seal]

Airlines that focus on yield and not reducing costs usually end up in the sh*t

[yeo valley]

True but yield pays the bills end of day.

[PDXCWL45]

For the routes that are left the Q400 is the better aircraft though it will put some people off.
One of the pluses about the new schedule is the frequency to Dublin is much better for it as a transatlantic hub.
In the end the damage is not as bad as feared with only a reduction of about 25% on seats onsale and hopefully some of the Italian routes will be recovered in due time.
I do have to feel though for the people being made redundant. Hopefully they'll find new employment pretty quickly.