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[yeo valley]

Im sure they use BHD to EXT to get the dash to Ext for maintainence,which would make sence as they would not be flying round with empty aircraft.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by JobsaGoodun

However, BHDEXT is at most single daily DH4 against double daily E75 on CWL, as is EDI, suggesting that yield is likely better at EXT. Any airline can fill an aircraft with £20 tickets...it’s filling it and making money that’s important. What’s clear is that Flybe can’t do this with and E75 based on CWL at the level necessary, even with the support offered by CWL and by the Welsh Gvnt. If they could, they wouldn’t be closing the base.

From what I've seen the average fare from Flybe on domestic routes seems to be around £50 one way.

[irishlad06]

Originally Posted by yeo valley

Im sure they use BHD to EXT to get the dash to Ext for maintainence,which would make sence as they would not be flying round with empty aircraft.

very rarely is this route used to get aircraft to EXT for maintenance. Swaps happen at most bases - sometimes crew can have 2 aircraft swaps in 1day and they are only operating 4 sectors. MAN is a great place to swap aircraft because of the HUB system where the aircraft from other bases are on the ground at a very similar time therefore making it easy to swap planes, otherwise you have to have an aircraft sitting idle at say EXT waiting on the BHD aircraft at wa time when that aircraft could be flying from EXT.

[caaardiff]

Originally Posted by JobsaGoodun

However, BHDEXT is at most single daily DH4 against double daily E75 on CWL, as is EDI, suggesting that yield is likely better at EXT. Any airline can fill an aircraft with £20 tickets...it’s filling it and making money that’s important. What’s clear is that Flybe can’t do this with and E75 based on CWL at the level necessary, even with the support offered by CWL and by the Welsh Gvnt. If they could, they wouldn’t be closing the base.

Absolutely agree with your points. But if CWL can attract that many passengers from double, sometimes triple daily frequencies, if BE were to reduce the frequency then there will still be good demand and increased yield. Undoubtedly they will lose some custom to EZY at BRS for people looking for day returns.
How many Q400s are based at EXT?

[Wycombe]

How many Q400s are based at EXT?

I believe it's 4 currently.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by caaardiff

Absolutely agree with your points. But if CWL can attract that many passengers from double, sometimes triple daily frequencies, if BE were to reduce the frequency then there will still be good demand and increased yield. Undoubtedly they will lose some custom to EZY at BRS for people looking for day returns.
How many Q400s are based at EXT?

The demand for the flights is there in general but i just wonder if they aren't sustainable with BRS so close, it's just a shame that the E jets aren't getting replaced by Q400s as they might have more of a chance with them.
At the moment the frequencies of the routes that could be operated by Q400s are this.
Edinburgh 17 weekly departures, Dublin 15 weekly departures, Belfast 11 weeky departures, Paris 11 weekly departures, Glasgow 5 weekly departures, Jersey 3 weekly departures, Cork 2 weekly departures and in the winter Geneva 2 weekly departures and Chambery 1 weekly departure.
It'll be interesting to see how many of those flights remain assuming that Flybe will operate into Cardiff after October.

[PDXCWL45]

It's been nearly a year now since Qatar Airways started operating into Cardiff Wales Airport.
https://twitter.com/Cardiff_Airport/status/1122901112602886147
And Roger Lewis is stepping down as Chairman of the airport.
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news...rdiff-airport/

[Flightrider]

Airports are largely asset-based businesses - assets on which there are normally borrowings to fund with interest on those borrowings, and on which depreciation has to be charged. Saying that an airport is EBITDA-positive really is trying to put a positive spin on things. Actual losses when interest and depreciation are taken into account could well be a wholly different story...

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Flightrider

Airports are largely asset-based businesses - assets on which there are normally borrowings to fund with interest on those borrowings, and on which depreciation has to be charged. Saying that an airport is EBITDA-positive really is trying to put a positive spin on things. Actual losses when interest and depreciation are taken into account could well be a wholly different story...

Yep it's just PR spin. The airport isn't at the moment making a profit and the loss of Flybe won't help in that either and only time will tell when it will either break even or make a profit but it has grown it's passenger numbers and invested in the passenger experience there and attracted new routes and expansion from the likes of Ryanair, KLM, TUI and TCX so it has been going in the right direction. It looks like it will be taking a setback as due to Flybe but again only time will tell how damaging that truly is. Generally though Roger Lewis tenure has been positive. It will be interesting to see who replaces him and whether they are as visible as Roger Lewis has been.

[PDXCWL45]

@Cardiff_Airport will be one of the first airports to see the roll out of @qatarairways improved economy service!

https://onemileatatime.com/qatar-airways-improving-economy-meal-service/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=OneMi leataTime&utm_content=Wow:%20Qatar%20Airways%20Improving%20M eal%20Service%20In%20Economy

[PDXCWL45]

TUI Summer 2019 schedule began today at Cardiff with the launch of 3 new routes with Naples starting today, Dubrovnik tomorrow and Hurghada on Monday. Also a 3rd based aircraft will be operating helping to add an extra 90,000 seats. Also from November TUI will be the only based airline at Cardiff Airport.
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news...rdiff-airport/

[Letsflycwl]

Not forgetting the Eastern J41.....that’ll still be a based aircraft

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

Not forgetting the Eastern J41.....that’ll still be a based aircraft

I believe it like KLM is now an overnighting aircraft as it returns to Newcastle every day and comes back with a new crew that overnights. If someone knows more about the situation i'll happily be corrected!

[PDXCWL45]

April saw 126,399 passengers through the terminal up 20% on 2018. Rolling year is 1.6 million passengers up 7% on 2018.
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news...on-passengers/

[Wycombe]

Quoting part of the above press release “2019 is set to be another exciting year and we look forward to a busy summer season.”

Looks like it will be, but what comes after that depends to some extent on what Flybe decide or otherwise to operate from CWL after 26th October.

[Letsflycwl]

Let’s hope CWL are doing their best to secure alternate companies, it would be a big loss if they do not keep CDG on the boards especially.

[PDXCWL45]

Well it's down to the airlines in the end, the airport can only do so much, if airlines like Flybe don't want to operate from Cardiff or certain routes from Cardiff there isn't much they can do. One of their concerns will be winter as Flybe provide the bulk of flights and passengers during that period. It would be nice though if Flybe would get on and release the winter schedule so people know what will be continuing and don't look elsewhere.

Route wise hopefully they can persuade Ryanair to take over Dublin, add a flight to Faro and takeover Rome and Venice if not next year but the year after but i see that depends on how Barcelona does. Air France/HOP! would be a good replacement on Paris and the loss of Milan and Munich might as well encourage KLM to add more seats as well.

April saw an extra 21,525 passengers use the airport. Generally when airlines have added the extra seats and routes people have used them proving there is demand to fly from Cardiff with the right routes and airlines. Demand which does seem to be created as extra passengers for the airlines and not just taking them from neighbour airports.

[PDXCWL45]

Flybe have loaded their winter 2019/20 schedule onto their online timetable and with the exception of Newcastle and Anglesey Cardiff has nothing. So is that it for Flybe at CWL? Looks like we'll find out tomorrow!

[Letsflycwl]

Originally Posted by PDXCWL45

Flybe have loaded their winter 2019/20 schedule onto their online timetable and with the exception of Newcastle and Anglesey Cardiff has nothing. So is that it for Flybe at CWL? Looks like we'll find out tomorrow!

Lets hope not !!! After all they promised CWL in that 10 year deal yet not considering the cost to the Welsh Government plus they’d be stupid not to keep EDI, GLA, JER, DUB & CDG.......if that is the case, fingers crossed Plan B (if there is one) will be activated

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

Lets hope not !!! After all they promised CWL in that 10 year deal yet not considering the cost to the Welsh Government plus they’d be stupid not to keep EDI, GLA, JER, DUB & CDG.......if that is the case, fingers crossed Plan B (if there is one) will be activated

At the moment there is nothing loaded. As for the 10 year base deal i'd say it's not worth the paper it's written on now and as for the cost the money came from the airport not the welsh government. We should find out tomorrow if Flybe will continue to operate flights to CWL but i wouldn't be surprised if Flybe drop CWL.