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FR seem to be working well with CWL at the moment, especially after the recent APD press release, but no Airline will favour good relationships over business, especially FR. Provided FR are getting what they want, they will stay, if they don't, they'll pull the plug. You could argue that is whats happening at BRS at the moment. EZY and TUI/TCX are dominant in their markets at the moment. Why FR haven't expanded is anyones guess. BRS may not be willing to give FR the deals they want and are comfortable that their other carriers will pick up the routes, that where FR are being stagnant and looking to the other Airports in the region, (CWL, EXT, NQY, BOH) that you could argue are desperate and all have catchments that are leaking to BRS.
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I don't think it was ever confirmed, and was always rumour that CWL wouldn't do a deal with FR that would meet FR's requirements. Things were very different back then, it must've been 2006. That was when TUI were growing, bmiBaby were still growing, there were numerous other Tour Operators like Goldtrail still going, long haul was growing and things were looking up at the Airport. I'm not sure of timescales for FR pulling out but Air Wales folder in April 2006 too. The Airport were probably being a bit over confident and thinking they didn't need to make deals with FR. Things have taken a big change since then, and there's a lot less options for CWL and Airlines to pitch towards due to so much consolidation happening in recent years.
FR seem to be working well with CWL at the moment, especially after the recent APD press release, but no Airline will favour good relationships over business, especially FR. Provided FR are getting what they want, they will stay, if they don't, they'll pull the plug. You could argue that is whats happening at BRS at the moment. EZY and TUI/TCX are dominant in their markets at the moment. Why FR haven't expanded is anyones guess. BRS may not be willing to give FR the deals they want and are comfortable that their other carriers will pick up the routes, that where FR are being stagnant and looking to the other Airports in the region, (CWL, EXT, NQY, BOH) that you could argue are desperate and all have catchments that are leaking to BRS.
FR seem to be working well with CWL at the moment, especially after the recent APD press release, but no Airline will favour good relationships over business, especially FR. Provided FR are getting what they want, they will stay, if they don't, they'll pull the plug. You could argue that is whats happening at BRS at the moment. EZY and TUI/TCX are dominant in their markets at the moment. Why FR haven't expanded is anyones guess. BRS may not be willing to give FR the deals they want and are comfortable that their other carriers will pick up the routes, that where FR are being stagnant and looking to the other Airports in the region, (CWL, EXT, NQY, BOH) that you could argue are desperate and all have catchments that are leaking to BRS.
Just for the record can I reiterate once again that Air Wales didn't fold or go bust or have unpaid debts. The decision was taken to cease commercial operations. Two very different things!
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FR seem to be working well with CWL at the moment, especially after the recent APD press release, but no Airline will favour good relationships over business, especially FR. Provided FR are getting what they want, they will stay, if they don't, they'll pull the plug. You could argue that is whats happening at BRS at the moment. EZY and TUI/TCX are dominant in their markets at the moment. Why FR haven't expanded is anyones guess. BRS may not be willing to give FR the deals they want and are comfortable that their other carriers will pick up the routes, that where FR are being stagnant and looking to the other Airports in the region, (CWL, EXT, NQY, BOH) that you could argue are desperate and all have catchments that are leaking to BRS.
Winter is entirely different with Ryanair expanding at BRS each winter over the past four winters (as is easyJet), from 15 destinations in winter 15/16 to 25 destinations in the current winter with seating capacity up over 60% during that period. Ryanair and easyJet have competed on the main sun routes for many years but increasingly Ryanair is replicating some of easyJet's non-sun routes such as Krakow, Venice MP and (new for this winter) Seville and Sofia.
It might not be then that Ryanair isn't getting the deal it wants with BRS but rather it recognises that CWL has been under provisioned for many years and now is the time to do something about it - in particular with the main sun routes. For example, in 2007 which was CWL's best ever year with nearly 2.1 million passengers Palma handled 170,000 passengers, Alicante 161,000 and Malaga 150,000. In 2017, despite Vueling and the charter carriers, the figures were respectively 112,000, 105,000 and 85,000.
CWL has invariably done well with its sun routes in the main summer period in terms of passenger numbers - as always I know that high loads anywhere don't necessarily bring successful yields - so perhaps it's something of a surprise that airlines haven't sought to exploit this particular market more quickly as the airport recovers from its nadir in 2012.
Vueling is not operating Barcelona from CWL in summer 2019.
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Great news FR have added another route and the number of Welsh passengers flying to Malaga from Bristol still should easily be able to fill these once they are aware of the option of the CWL flight. But have Vueling reduced capacity to Barcelona and Malaga compared to last summer or has it remained the same?
Malaga is 5 weekly same as last year
PMI is 4 weekly same as last year
Alicante is 6 weekly up 1 weekly form last year
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I don't think it was ever confirmed, and was always rumour that CWL wouldn't do a deal with FR that would meet FR's requirements. Things were very different back then, it must've been 2006. That was when TUI were growing, bmiBaby were still growing, there were numerous other Tour Operators like Goldtrail still going, long haul was growing and things were looking up at the Airport. I'm not sure of timescales for FR pulling out but Air Wales folder in April 2006 too. The Airport were probably being a bit over confident and thinking they didn't need to make deals with FR. Things have taken a big change since then, and there's a lot less options for CWL and Airlines to pitch towards due to so much consolidation happening in recent years.
FR seem to be working well with CWL at the moment, especially after the recent APD press release, but no Airline will favour good relationships over business, especially FR. Provided FR are getting what they want, they will stay, if they don't, they'll pull the plug. You could argue that is whats happening at BRS at the moment. EZY and TUI/TCX are dominant in their markets at the moment. Why FR haven't expanded is anyones guess. BRS may not be willing to give FR the deals they want and are comfortable that their other carriers will pick up the routes, that where FR are being stagnant and looking to the other Airports in the region, (CWL, EXT, NQY, BOH) that you could argue are desperate and all have catchments that are leaking to BRS.
FR seem to be working well with CWL at the moment, especially after the recent APD press release, but no Airline will favour good relationships over business, especially FR. Provided FR are getting what they want, they will stay, if they don't, they'll pull the plug. You could argue that is whats happening at BRS at the moment. EZY and TUI/TCX are dominant in their markets at the moment. Why FR haven't expanded is anyones guess. BRS may not be willing to give FR the deals they want and are comfortable that their other carriers will pick up the routes, that where FR are being stagnant and looking to the other Airports in the region, (CWL, EXT, NQY, BOH) that you could argue are desperate and all have catchments that are leaking to BRS.
Bristol is not alone in stagnant Ryanair growth - Birmingham Leeds and East Midlands are the same. If Ryanair wanted to it could have expanded in a big way at bhx when monarch collapsed. I just don’t think the UK regional bases interest Ryanair too greatly at the moment.
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It might be a case of that in those airports Ryanair hasn't be offered a good enough deal to expand compared to other airports across Europe. They have expanded quite a lot lately into Ukriane and Israel and Germany and the UK regional airports are up against that competition just as much as their local competition which for CWL would be BRS and BHX. I doubt APD helps many of the smaller UK airports in attracting routes from them when they can deploy the aircraft to places that don't have that.
I may have heard wrongly, or the information broadcast may have been imprecise, so please don't shoot the messenger!
Proposal for a REGULATION OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL on common rules ensuring basic air connectivity with regard to the withdrawal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the Union
Subject to Articles 4 and 5, in the provision of scheduled air transport services pursuant to this Regulation, the total seasonal capacity to be provided by UK air carriers for routes between the United Kingdom and each Member State shall not exceed the total number of frequencies operated by those carriers on those routes during respectively the IATA winter and summer seasons of the year of 2018
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Cardiff Airports annual update.
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news...l-update-2019/
https://www.cardiff-airport.com/news...l-update-2019/
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Are KLM just increasing CWL flights over this period or also BRS aswell ?
Great to see a jump in capacity to the B737-700 for this period too.
Things certainly look a lot rosier for CWL this year, including the additional TOM aircraft, new FR flights and the MT upgrade to A321
Great to see a jump in capacity to the B737-700 for this period too.
Things certainly look a lot rosier for CWL this year, including the additional TOM aircraft, new FR flights and the MT upgrade to A321
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Just at Cardiff. It's a bit odd because the airport says KLM 737 700, the website then says Transavia France but then says KLM 737 800 under flight details. And Google flights apparently says Transavia! So it'll be interesting to see what happens!
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Well it’s good news I guess regardless, onwards and upwards in 2019 hopefully with some more destinations and airlines hopefully.
Shame about Iberia Express as it was reported the loads were pretty good to MAD.
Shame about Iberia Express as it was reported the loads were pretty good to MAD.
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Yeah it is a shame about Madrid. Hopefully the route will come back one day.