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[Letsflycwl]

What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00?

Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights.

Any have any ideas ?

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00?

Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights.

Any have any ideas ?

I'd be surprised if the airport put cargo flights on it's boards. Scarlets are playing in Dublin that weekend so could be connected?

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00?

Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights.

Any have any ideas ?

Apparently Beyonce plays in Cardiff next month so maybe connected to that?

[fanrailuk]

"More UK flights from Cardiff explored"

[ensiferum23]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00?

Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights.

Any have any ideas ?

whilst the timing is extremely tight, Wales play Mexico in California on the 29th maybe it will fly to Pasadena via Chicago?

[Letsflycwl]

Interesting read on the BBC, new domestic flights being explored from CWL......MAN, LBA, ABZ, NQY, GLA, HUY, NWI, INV and a London link again.....all as PSO routes (without the APD) tax.

its stating from Spring 2019 subject to attracting airlines.....no doubt J31, J41, SF3 & D38 sized aircraft...interesting read though.

Going over old ground again but Wales need to control the APD as Scotland currently does then this will benefit the country (Wales) and CWL

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

Going over old ground again but Wales need to control the APD as Scotland currently does then this will benefit the country (Wales) and CWL

Scotland doesn't

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Scotland doesn't

Scotland has had the powers devolved but there is some legal clarification going on with the EU to do with the Highlands routes APD exemption i believe.

[fjencl]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

Interesting read on the BBC, new domestic flights being explored from CWL......MAN, LBA, ABZ, NQY, GLA, HUY, NWI, INV and a London link again.....all as PSO routes (without the APD) tax.

its stating from Spring 2019 subject to attracting airlines.....no doubt J31, J41, SF3 & D38 sized aircraft...interesting read though.

Going over old ground again but Wales need to control the APD as Scotland currently does then this will benefit the country (Wales) and CWL

Starting in Spring 2019 it will be interesting to see what airlines come forward to operate all these services.

[bycrewlgw]

Originally Posted by fjencl

Starting in Spring 2019 it will be interesting to see what airlines come forward to operate all these services.

even with the lack of APD and the ‘modest marketing budget’ surely there’s no market for some of these flights? Aberdeen, Manchester maybe Leeds but come on Humberside? Norwich? If London can’t work even with APD then I can’t see the others even without.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by bycrewlgw

even with the lack of APD and the ‘modest marketing budget’ surely there’s no market for some of these flights? Aberdeen, Manchester maybe Leeds but come on Humberside? Norwich? If London can’t work even with APD then I can’t see the others even without.

The only way i could see Humberside and Norwich being viable is if Flybe sold them as positioning flights to operate sun routes out of those airports which they currently do with Exeter and Norwich.

[Mike Flynn]

Originally Posted by PDXCWL45

The only way i could see Humberside and Norwich being viable is if Flybe sold them as positioning flights to operate sun routes out of those airports which they currently do with Exeter and Norwich.

Who would want to fly from Rhoose to Humberside or Norwich?

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by Jay Sata

Who would want to fly from Rhoose to Humberside or Norwich?

I'm sure someone would. Last time Norwich operated i think it averaged about 700 people a month who used the service.

[jon01]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00?

Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights.

Any have any ideas ?

B763 N767MW arrives on 26 May from Denver (evening)

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by jon01

B763 N767MW arrives on 26 May from Denver (evening)

Any ideas why it's operating into Cardiff ?

[MerchantVenturer]

Originally Posted by PDXCWL45

I'm sure someone would. Last time Norwich operated i think it averaged about 700 people a month who used the service.

In 2015 LinksAir that operated the Cardiff-Anglesey PSO route decided to extend it to Norwich (CWL-NWI sector non PSO). It operated one NWI rotation from CWL daily.

The route was not a success and handled (CAA stats) 130 passengers in April that year, 185 in May and 102 in June. It was then axed.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business...newest-8518024

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer

In 2015 LinksAir that operated the Cardiff-Anglesey PSO route decided to extend it to Norwich (CWL-NWI sector non PSO). It operated one NWI rotation from CWL daily.

The route was not a success and handled (CAA stats) 130 passengers in April that year, 185 in May and 102 in June. It was then axed.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business...newest-8518024

I'm sure i read in an article about them scrapping the route that they were only getting 700 passengers a month on the route and that wasn't making them money.

[inOban]

I find surprising that they should suggest a subsidised routes to GLA and ABZ when there is an unsubsidised route to EDI.

[MerchantVenturer]

Originally Posted by PDXCWL45

I'm sure i read in an article about them scrapping the route that they were only getting 700 passengers a month on the route and that wasn't making them money.

That report was clearly inaccurate. 417 passengers were carried during the three months of its life.

Air Wales tried a route from CWL via Norwich and Dublin for a while in late 2004 into 2005. It was only a couple of days a week from memory and a look at CAA stats showed it carried fewer than 600 passengers during 2005.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by inOban

I find surprising that they should suggest a subsidised routes to GLA and ABZ when there is an unsubsidised route to EDI.

Aberdeen is only available via Newcastle at an astronomical price.
Glasgow seems to go up and down with Flybe. One season it's daily then the next it goes 4 weekly and then 5 weekly. Scotland hasn't seen much growth from Flybe with EDI staying at 12 weekly at GLA up and down compared to Ireland where between Dublin and Belfast there has been growth in frequencies. If Flybe base a 4th aircraft then I'd have thought they'd or the WG would want to operate a route like Glasgow at 12 weekly and no doubt no APD would help with that. If they do add more Scottish flights i really hope Inverness gets included as well.