Southampton-2
Another step on the slow road to recovery
Anyone any idea how many people they are actually carrying though?
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Over 800 passengers yesterday on 24 flights so an average of about 34 per flight. Just an average though to give you an idea, some loads will be much better than others.
Over 800 passengers yesterday on 24 flights so an average of about 34 per flight
Saying that, I see LOG sent one of their (ex Flybe-Nordic) AT72's yesterday.
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My MAN-SOU J41 trip the other day turned out to be an ATR via BHD. With no cabin service, meaning arriving SOU 3 hours late with nothing to eat/drink on board & everything at Southampton airport is closed. For me my day ended 6 hours with nothing to drink. Be warned if using Eastern or Southampton Airport bring your own stuff.
Pretty poor for an airport, the website does not reflect that virtually all facilities are closed.
Pretty poor for an airport, the website does not reflect that virtually all facilities are closed.
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My MAN-SOU J41 trip the other day turned out to be an ATR via BHD. With no cabin service, meaning arriving SOU 3 hours late with nothing to eat/drink on board & everything at Southampton airport is closed. For me my day ended 6 hours with nothing to drink. Be warned if using Eastern or Southampton Airport bring your own stuff.
Pretty poor for an airport, the website does not reflect that virtually all facilities are closed.
Pretty poor for an airport, the website does not reflect that virtually all facilities are closed.
Pull your finger out Southampton or very soon you will be no more!
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My MAN-SOU J41 trip the other day turned out to be an ATR via BHD. With no cabin service, meaning arriving SOU 3 hours late with nothing to eat/drink on board & everything at Southampton airport is closed. For me my day ended 6 hours with nothing to drink. Be warned if using Eastern or Southampton Airport bring your own stuff.
Pretty poor for an airport, the website does not reflect that virtually all facilities are closed.
Pretty poor for an airport, the website does not reflect that virtually all facilities are closed.
Did you not ask for water ?
Seems that SOU-AMS with KLM will not now be going double-daily from the start of the winter timetable. Not a great surprise.
DUB still not started but appears it does with EZE on 23rd Oct.
DUB still not started but appears it does with EZE on 23rd Oct.
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KLM goes double daily using the E90 from the new year, although I expect that to change, as do I the Dublin service. All very fluid at present!
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More potentially grim reading. Read the entire article.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...ture-is-secure
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...ture-is-secure
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Grim reading for all currently, of which Eastern are only one of them. This article could be copy and pasted and used for any airline!
Last edited by SKOJB; 27th Sep 2020 at 19:10.
From SOU Airport Facebook page -
- We're asking to extend the runway by just 164m & add some car parking
- We're not expanding the airport
- The extension remains fully within our current boundaries
From their photo posted here one can fully and clearly see what SOU airport's constraints are about any future expansion and the type of planes that can get in and out with an economical payload - It is very limiting.
You can see the touchdown zones TDZ and the 'rubber' at each end, and see just how short the airport is and what (obstacles) are at each end of the runway.
The 164m starter strip (shown in blue) could enable an A320 to take maybe a full load (186 pax) to say Faro, Malaga, or possibly Corfu...(when and if, we get the package holidaymaker back again en masse)
Doubt it will be able to do the Canaries non stop with 186 pax - it would likely be payload restricted.
It has already been established that Ryanair will not come to SOU with it's 737's, even with their shorter routes that they fly in the main. That type is simply not suitable for SOU.
Someone on FB suggested to build the runway over the M27....
OK so to tunnel the m27 under would take about a £1bn or more and years to do,
Impossible...
I'm not bashing SOU - merely highlighting there is not much they can do with the current hardware...
- We're asking to extend the runway by just 164m & add some car parking
- We're not expanding the airport
- The extension remains fully within our current boundaries
From their photo posted here one can fully and clearly see what SOU airport's constraints are about any future expansion and the type of planes that can get in and out with an economical payload - It is very limiting.
You can see the touchdown zones TDZ and the 'rubber' at each end, and see just how short the airport is and what (obstacles) are at each end of the runway.
The 164m starter strip (shown in blue) could enable an A320 to take maybe a full load (186 pax) to say Faro, Malaga, or possibly Corfu...(when and if, we get the package holidaymaker back again en masse)
Doubt it will be able to do the Canaries non stop with 186 pax - it would likely be payload restricted.
It has already been established that Ryanair will not come to SOU with it's 737's, even with their shorter routes that they fly in the main. That type is simply not suitable for SOU.
Someone on FB suggested to build the runway over the M27....
OK so to tunnel the m27 under would take about a £1bn or more and years to do,
Impossible...
I'm not bashing SOU - merely highlighting there is not much they can do with the current hardware...
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We have known about all the limitations of SOU for some time,with Civic 19 likely to be around for the foreseeable future,I feel the runway extension is becoming increasing irrelevant,the real question is can the airport survive with its current destinations and limited passenger numbers?
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Does this upgrade plan confer the standard 240m length Runway End Safety Areas at each end? If not, what will the length of the RESAs be?
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You never know what might be around the corner. These things all happen for a reason. Tbh Eastern was a concern even before COVID. And it’s absolutely no surprise they have stopped Newcastle to Southampton as there were far too many flights on that route with two airlines - completely unsustainable.
Post Covid-19 I’dlove to see BA CityFlyer come in to SOU with a based and quality operation with jets rather than the very old and costly to maintain J-41’s of Eastern.
Post Covid-19 I’dlove to see BA CityFlyer come in to SOU with a based and quality operation with jets rather than the very old and costly to maintain J-41’s of Eastern.
We have known about all the limitations of SOU for some time, with Covid 19 likely to be around for the foreseeable future, I feel the runway extension is becoming increasing irrelevant, the real question is can the airport survive with its current destinations and limited passenger numbers?
They also mentioned how important the Cruise industry is (well sadly not right now) and HM Royal Navy personnel at Portsmouth who used the airport before Covid and the loss of Flybe.
And it’s absolutely no surprise they have stopped Newcastle to Southampton as there were far too many flights on that route with two airlines - completely unsustainable.
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You're right, but I've just checked and it looks like today's flight might have been the last one, as there's no availability from tomorrow onwards.
In terms of passenger numbers Eastern have been absolutely spanked by Loganair on this route. Their average number of passengers per flight was climbing steadily over the summer, but it's dropped off a cliff recently. I like Eastern and hope to see them survive and grow at SOU but the hard truth is that in every way I can see I believe they offer an inferior product to Loganair and aren't as well known amongst the general public. They were up against it from the start, as there's no competition between two daily jet flights morning and evening, or an early afternoon Jetstream, especially in the current climate.
In terms of passenger numbers Eastern have been absolutely spanked by Loganair on this route. Their average number of passengers per flight was climbing steadily over the summer, but it's dropped off a cliff recently. I like Eastern and hope to see them survive and grow at SOU but the hard truth is that in every way I can see I believe they offer an inferior product to Loganair and aren't as well known amongst the general public. They were up against it from the start, as there's no competition between two daily jet flights morning and evening, or an early afternoon Jetstream, especially in the current climate.