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TUI Summer 2020
Looks like the following routes will operate at the moment in the latest update
Tuesday PMI Volotea B 717
Saturday MAH Flybe DHC8
Folowing services have been dropped are Palma on a Sat and IBZ on a Thursday both with Volotea
Looks like the following routes will operate at the moment in the latest update
Tuesday PMI Volotea B 717
Saturday MAH Flybe DHC8
Folowing services have been dropped are Palma on a Sat and IBZ on a Thursday both with Volotea
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Little bit of nostalgia yesterday with the last flight of a Flybe 195 ending operations on the sun routes from Palma , Faro , Alicante and Malaga
Not sure how long they have been in operation but have served SOU well and I hope they can be replaced in some form soon
Not sure how long they have been in operation but have served SOU well and I hope they can be replaced in some form soon
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G-FBEA (c/n 19000029) was delivered to Flybe on 3 September 2006. Here's a picture of it at SOU on 13 September 2006
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Flyb...-200LR/1113609
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Flyb...-200LR/1113609
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Lets get real, firstly is no early indication that SOU would receive any of these aircraft (if and when it happened) secondly I'm sure they'd be planned to be utilized out of LHR/MAN instead (this is Virgins main priority afterall) thirdly with pax numbers falling dramatically (100k+ to date this year?) SOU might become the target for the wrong reasons and Virgin's other priority of culling their non profitable routes.
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Lets get real, firstly is no early indication that SOU would receive any of these aircraft (if and when it happened) secondly I'm sure they'd be planned to be utilized out of LHR/MAN instead (this is Virgins main priority afterall) thirdly with pax numbers falling dramatically (100k+ to date this year?) SOU might become the target for the wrong reasons and Virgin's other priority of culling their non profitable routes.
Are there any routes ex SOU that could support the capacity offered by the A220 aircraft at the moment?
There was hardly any last minute availability this season S19 from SOU to either of these.
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The more likely issue for TUI at SOU is aircraft performance. Volotea can’t operate unrestricted with the 717 or the A319. Due to lack of alternative aircraft I’m not surprised it came to an end. Separately, the pax experience of a Q400 down to Spain is hardly ‘TUI product’. Doubt that will last either.
If this rumour of 220’s is true, they would be PERFECT for an airport like SOU.
If this rumour of 220’s is true, they would be PERFECT for an airport like SOU.
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It's been coming for a while,the decline of the Summer routes will surely be complete by the end of 2020!
The lack of investment ,continued poor management,and continued under performing will eventually lead to just a few Q400 movements with the lack luster Flybe. Can it get better?,the answer is a big No!!!
It's simply a big disappointment given the airfields transport links and location.
The lack of investment ,continued poor management,and continued under performing will eventually lead to just a few Q400 movements with the lack luster Flybe. Can it get better?,the answer is a big No!!!
It's simply a big disappointment given the airfields transport links and location.
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The more likely issue for TUI at SOU is aircraft performance. Volotea can’t operate unrestricted with the 717 or the A319. Due to lack of alternative aircraft I’m not surprised it came to an end. Separately, the pax experience of a Q400 down to Spain is hardly ‘TUI product’. Doubt that will last either.
If this rumour of 220’s is true, they would be PERFECT for an airport like SOU.
If this rumour of 220’s is true, they would be PERFECT for an airport like SOU.
The lack of investment ,continued poor management,
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Looking at the basic take-off performance figures the A220-100 needs 1463 metres TORA and A220-300 needs 1890 metres TORA at MTOW. Indicated maximum range is 3300 NM + for both, ie around 5 hours flight time. Flying time to the Canaries and Cyprus around 4 hours. With a prospective TORA (with 20 starter strip) of just under 1800 metres, and the south end trees reduced in height - I leave our readers to do the maths!
Lets hope that current speculation is correct.
TORA and or LDA (total lengths available) is not what on the day, can a flight planner or pilot use for their performance calculations - One can only use the length of runway what the book says the aircraft and its payload can lift off or land with, depending on the various other parameters, and weather occurring on the day (Of which SOU is somewhat blighted as we know, plus our increasingly hot summers days)
The holy grail is not necessarily the Canaries, Cyprus and the Greek Islands.
At the moment we cannot always even get a full load off the deck in the winter for a short Ski flight to GVA on a A320Neo.
A couple of days ago on Facebook/Twitter SOU airport announced yet more Public ''Open days'' to come and meet the management and discuss the runway planning permission and for SOU's expansion plans.
The holy grail is not necessarily the Canaries, Cyprus and the Greek Islands.
At the moment we cannot always even get a full load off the deck in the winter for a short Ski flight to GVA on a A320Neo.
A couple of days ago on Facebook/Twitter SOU airport announced yet more Public ''Open days'' to come and meet the management and discuss the runway planning permission and for SOU's expansion plans.
TORA and or LDA (total lengths available) is not what on the day, can a flight planner or pilot use for their performance calculations - One can only use the length of runway what the book says the aircraft and its payload can lift off or land with, depending on the various other parameters, and weather occurring on the day (Of which SOU is somewhat blighted as we know, plus our increasingly hot summers days)
The holy grail is not necessarily the Canaries, Cyprus and the Greek Islands.
At the moment we cannot always even get a full load off the deck in the winter for a short Ski flight to GVA on a A320Neo.
A couple of days ago on Facebook/Twitter SOU airport announced yet more Public ''Open days'' to come and meet the management and discuss the runway planning permission and for SOU's expansion plans.
https://twitter.com/SOU_Airport/stat...608256/photo/1
The holy grail is not necessarily the Canaries, Cyprus and the Greek Islands.
At the moment we cannot always even get a full load off the deck in the winter for a short Ski flight to GVA on a A320Neo.
A couple of days ago on Facebook/Twitter SOU airport announced yet more Public ''Open days'' to come and meet the management and discuss the runway planning permission and for SOU's expansion plans.
https://twitter.com/SOU_Airport/stat...608256/photo/1
The total runway length is not necessrily considered for take-off/landing calculations. SOU currently has 1723 metres but only 02 has this as a TORA, RWY 20 is less than this by a need to provide a Runway End Safety Area (RESA) as a contingency to allow for an overrun. Simlarly 02 & 20 both have displaced thresholds which reduces the Landing Distance Available (LDA) below 1723 metres, due to obstacles in the approach area and/or a need to provide an undershoot RESA.
"The book" as you refer to will have the available TORA and LDA factored in with the current temperature/wind velocity/runway state to indicate what is currently available to use as a maximum take-off/landing weight.
From what is indicated by SOU can we assume that submission of a planning application is not imminent?