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I am guessing then that if the plans are submitted in the summer, the council will sit on it for a month or so then
1 ) approve the extension and expansion of Southampton and give SOU the ok to go ahead, which could possibly mean work start in January? how long it would take i have no idea, but ready for summer 2020 ?
2 ) send it back or delay it longer while the council investigate more
1 ) approve the extension and expansion of Southampton and give SOU the ok to go ahead, which could possibly mean work start in January? how long it would take i have no idea, but ready for summer 2020 ?
2 ) send it back or delay it longer while the council investigate more
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My viewpoint from someone who worked in LGovt and regularly had ‘debate’ on LA(uthority) projects with planners.
unlikely to be passed without lots of additional info requests, impact studies, and public enquiry etc. It will become a political football locally too, awareness of environmental impact at a high... no Councillor on a planning committee will want to sign it off without a eye on local public opinion. it may seem a relatively contained package of works but the scale of impact is clear, an airport with jet base potential from one that currently dominated by lighter craft. It will also open a massive can of worms over curfew and impact which could be tightened if the Can is opened.
its so close to populations in Eastleigh it could stand the chance of becoming a massive hot potato that needs to go to appeal where the judgment will be looked at in exactly the same political climate.
It’s a great connected airport, I hope it gets a major LCC to European cities but, if I lived v nearby ..... I would be bending the local Councilors/Leader against and they intern would be visiting the planners almost daily.
unlikely to be passed without lots of additional info requests, impact studies, and public enquiry etc. It will become a political football locally too, awareness of environmental impact at a high... no Councillor on a planning committee will want to sign it off without a eye on local public opinion. it may seem a relatively contained package of works but the scale of impact is clear, an airport with jet base potential from one that currently dominated by lighter craft. It will also open a massive can of worms over curfew and impact which could be tightened if the Can is opened.
its so close to populations in Eastleigh it could stand the chance of becoming a massive hot potato that needs to go to appeal where the judgment will be looked at in exactly the same political climate.
It’s a great connected airport, I hope it gets a major LCC to European cities but, if I lived v nearby ..... I would be bending the local Councilors/Leader against and they intern would be visiting the planners almost daily.
You wouldn't be surprised FF, but hopefully SOU have done a lot of prep work and have already got a good idea of the councils concerns and have built them into the application. Given the current news agenda, doesn't look like great timing though.
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My viewpoint from someone who worked in LGovt and regularly had ‘debate’ on LA(uthority) projects with planners.
unlikely to be passed without lots of additional info requests, impact studies, and public enquiry etc. It will become a political football locally too, awareness of environmental impact at a high... no Councillor on a planning committee will want to sign it off without a eye on local public opinion. it may seem a relatively contained package of works but the scale of impact is clear, an airport with jet base potential from one that currently dominated by lighter craft. It will also open a massive can of worms over curfew and impact which could be tightened if the Can is opened.
its so close to populations in Eastleigh it could stand the chance of becoming a massive hot potato that needs to go to appeal where the judgment will be looked at in exactly the same political climate.
It’s a great connected airport, I hope it gets a major LCC to European cities but, if I lived v nearby ..... I would be bending the local Councilors/Leader against and they intern would be visiting the planners almost daily.
unlikely to be passed without lots of additional info requests, impact studies, and public enquiry etc. It will become a political football locally too, awareness of environmental impact at a high... no Councillor on a planning committee will want to sign it off without a eye on local public opinion. it may seem a relatively contained package of works but the scale of impact is clear, an airport with jet base potential from one that currently dominated by lighter craft. It will also open a massive can of worms over curfew and impact which could be tightened if the Can is opened.
its so close to populations in Eastleigh it could stand the chance of becoming a massive hot potato that needs to go to appeal where the judgment will be looked at in exactly the same political climate.
It’s a great connected airport, I hope it gets a major LCC to European cities but, if I lived v nearby ..... I would be bending the local Councilors/Leader against and they intern would be visiting the planners almost daily.
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Most definitely IF they have the will and finances to fight. Ten years ago would have been a much easier time than now. We are talking about possibly the highest profile and awareness climate change and environmental impact has ever had. Can’t help thinking this, in this location should have been done years ago.... you can’t suddenly fly jets every few minutes literally in people’s back gardens. It’s a densely populated area and its not like the argument for Heathrow expansion, that’s already there and impact is there, the uplift and impact on immediate locals will be huge. They will also take into consideration if there are alternatives near by that impact less on community if not environment or are established which of course there is.
They literally couldn’t have picked a worse time to go for planning from that point of view.
They literally couldn’t have picked a worse time to go for planning from that point of view.
I would seriously question the wisdom of bringing bigger plane s and more often to a runway whose over run / undershoot area is a busy 6 lane motorway. Sure as eggs are eggs one day the inevitable will happen and now is the time for the planners to show foresight and say "No"
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The big difference between SEN and SOU (identical runway lengths after extension) would be the ground obstacles. Hills, trees and rail depots.... it's even listed as a hazard in the airfield guidance from NATS.
If the aircraft needs to ascend more quickly to avoid obstacles, then the aircraft cannot be heavy. Meaning any flights over 2hrs would be economically questionable.
Please don't get me wrong RivetJoint - I support the expansion as I would benefit from it too despite being a BOH 'troll'. It's just not as simple as SEN's extension.
If the aircraft needs to ascend more quickly to avoid obstacles, then the aircraft cannot be heavy. Meaning any flights over 2hrs would be economically questionable.
Please don't get me wrong RivetJoint - I support the expansion as I would benefit from it too despite being a BOH 'troll'. It's just not as simple as SEN's extension.
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As we discussing.... 10 years ago was the time to push expansion through... this is in bbc news today - this is the ‘climate’ any expansion planning application is going to be viewed in and more so on a local level without a Central Govt overturn at appeal which would have been a ‘business first’ decision a few years back
Climate change 'may curb growth in UK flying' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48233548
Climate change 'may curb growth in UK flying' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48233548
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Until they find an alternative propulsion system for aircraft engines the airline industry is going to be punished yet it only contributes 2% to global carbon dioxide emissions. How messed up is that.
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Good luck to the planning application ,but realistically it's never going to happen,as stated if this was 10 years ago then maybe,but it's not and the climate has changed.
Expect major objections and eventual withdraw of the application.Where does this leave SOU?,well it certainly won't be around after another 10 years.
It makes sense to develop transport links to BOU,it has the runway,location and facilities to become a mini Gatwick!.Investment will come through. SOU had its chance many years ago,but poor management,lack of investment and oversight has silled it's fate.
Expect major objections and eventual withdraw of the application.Where does this leave SOU?,well it certainly won't be around after another 10 years.
It makes sense to develop transport links to BOU,it has the runway,location and facilities to become a mini Gatwick!.Investment will come through. SOU had its chance many years ago,but poor management,lack of investment and oversight has silled it's fate.
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Good luck to the planning application ,but realistically it's never going to happen,as stated if this was 10 years ago then maybe,but it's not and the climate has changed.
Expect major objections and eventual withdraw of the application.Where does this leave SOU?,well it certainly won't be around after another 10 years.
It makes sense to develop transport links to BOU,it has the runway,location and facilities to become a mini Gatwick!.Investment will come through. SOU had its chance many years ago,but poor management,lack of investment and oversight has silled it's fate.
Expect major objections and eventual withdraw of the application.Where does this leave SOU?,well it certainly won't be around after another 10 years.
It makes sense to develop transport links to BOU,it has the runway,location and facilities to become a mini Gatwick!.Investment will come through. SOU had its chance many years ago,but poor management,lack of investment and oversight has silled it's fate.
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Well said. It is becoming very tiresome now. I suspect planning for an extra 170m of runway is a lot more attainable than planning to extend a motorway through a national park.
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I for one want to see SOU developed to its full potential as it will benefit the entire region. If you look at the likes of BRS they are now handling 9million passengers a year. Yet between them BOH & SOU struggle to get a combined 2.8m. The population of BRS is much smaller than the SOU/PMTH and BMTH populations combined - so what the hell is going on?!
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I for one want to see SOU developed to its full potential as it will benefit the entire region. If you look at the likes of BRS they are now handling 9million passengers a year. Yet between them BOH & SOU struggle to get a combined 2.8m. The population of BRS is much smaller than the SOU/PMTH and BMTH populations combined - so what the hell is going on?!
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Hi all just had my pre bookable seat map come through from Tui today to book my seats for the Tuesday flight in August and it is a 717 again this year
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I for one want to see SOU developed to its full potential as it will benefit the entire region. If you look at the likes of BRS they are now handling 9million passengers a year. Yet between them BOH & SOU struggle to get a combined 2.8m. The population of BRS is much smaller than the SOU/PMTH and BMTH populations combined - so what the hell is going on?!
BRS attracts significant numbers of customers from South Wales, Devon/Cornwall and parts of the Thames Valley, which was one of the considerations that Barbara Cassani mentioned in her book when her airline Go set up its second base and chose BRS. That said, around 40% of BRS's annual passenger numbers begin or end their journey in the 'Greater Bristol' area, roughly analogous to the area covered by the short-lived county of Avon.
The South West and the Bristol area in particular still 'loses' several million passenger journeys to the London airports (mainly LHR) each year.
Having said all this, I agree that the South Coast airports should be handling considerably more passengers than is currently the case, having regard to the size and make-up of the cities and towns within the Southampton/Portsmouth conurbation. They are under-performing when compared to somewhere like BRS which might be thought to be punching above its weight at a physically constrained site with poor surface connectivity.
The Eurostat concept of larger urban zones is sometimes a more realistic guide to city region population sizes than municipal populations.
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https://www.centreforcities.org/city-by-city/puas/
..and the Casani book “Go an airline adventure” well worth a read, lots about project “Brazil” for guess where!? MV knows the answer!