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Old 16th Jan 2019, 10:44
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Another informative note,I presume any future operations by airlines after the runway extension will have to confirm with these controls!
If so will they be attractive enough to generate the likes of Easy with 320 ops?
EASYJET A320 ops out of SOU with the existing runway have been around for 2 seasons already - GVA ski flights for instance.

So I assume you mean more Ops further afield with EZY A320's?

I am not privy if the GVA operates in and out of SOU with a full 186 seat load - someone here will know who works for the handling agents at SOU can possibly supply the answers.

Nor do I know as to what is the maximum range currently that an EZY 320 or 320NEO can operate to without a payload restriction - methinks even a full Palma or Barcelona would suffer limitations.
The NEO versions do offer better performance and I gather EZY has placed 2 at SEN and 1 at BRS.

Spanair used to come in many years ago with A320's - IAE engines - Palma Ibiza and Mahon?

Don't include any refer to recent Lapland flights - as they have NO bags and usually lots of children !
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The EZY A320 and A319 have operated full out of SOU to Geneva.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 11:13
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts
The EZY A320 and A319 have operated full out of SOU to Geneva.
Thanks very much .
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 14:57
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Originally Posted by rog747
EASYJET A320 ops out of SOU with the existing runway have been around for 2 seasons already - GVA ski flights for instance.

So I assume you mean more Ops further afield with EZY A320's?

I am not privy if the GVA operates in and out of SOU with a full 186 seat load - someone here will know who works for the handling agents at SOU can possibly supply the answers.

Nor do I know as to what is the maximum range currently that an EZY 320 or 320NEO can operate to without a payload restriction - methinks even a full Palma or Barcelona would suffer limitations.
The NEO versions do offer better performance and I gather EZY has placed 2 at SEN and 1 at BRS.

Spanair used to come in many years ago with A320's - IAE engines - Palma Ibiza and Mahon?

Don't include any refer to recent Lapland flights - as they have NO bags and usually lots of children !
I am a handling agent and yes it has gone out full before, the a320 has better performance then the a319 out of sou. We've dbc on the a319 before
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Latest news regarding the Fly Lolo " saga / soap / serial " is they are still on track to operate peak flights from Southampton which are 8 routes advertised and on a TV comercial from SOU , but there own Fly Lolo website shows another 3 routes on sale still

Regarding the aircraft operating they are back to either a FK 70 or a Boeing 737 300 , operating from within the EU , with an announcement due soon !!

Watch this space , again !!
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 15:58
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Might this be the start of Jet2 services using 733 equipment ahead of the runway extension in 2020?
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 09:31
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Its highly unlikely to be Jet 2 leasing a 737 300 out in peak summer months , they would have already have had that aircraft fully committed for this summer , bearing in mind as well Fly lolo up until very recently were looking at an Austrian E 190 to use

Jet 2 have also said they willl not be opening up any new UK bases in 2020 , and i think everyone is agreed the B 738 is not suitable for SOU operations anyway as their B 733 will be gone by next summer
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 10:25
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Yes I was watching Emmerdale FRI night on the London region ( Not Meridian) and saw the SOU airport TV ad in the break - Showed Fly Lolo and its destinations for new exciting places -
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book local fly local!


Hope they do sort themselves out and get an airline with the right plane to operate S19
A 737-300 or the 700 series is a good performer for SOU but has a large number of seats to fill (148)
Bath Travel Palmair used the 737-500 (now a dead species) 124 pax - very good fit

and also hope that the Flybe debacle does not end up on the rocks....
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Flybe announced a small increase in services to the sun and to Amsterdam. today.
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Palma 4 per week and Amsterdam 4 per day, 3 on weekends.
Flybe are extending their Geneva flights into mid-April, no news yet on whether easyJet will be doing the same. I see that BOH is also only bookable until the end of March, but SEN is bookable until the end of April.
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I see the Bath Travel family is back again with 2 day trips from BOH to Venice at Easter using a TOM 737-800. Best of luck to SB.
Hays Travel are selling the tickets for Bath.
I just booked 3 seats as a family surprise - awesome !!

Last time with Bath/Palmair we did the Cairo and Luxor day trips - good old days on a Monarch 757 - Cracking days out.

This time a 738 of TOM - hot brekkie and hot dinner both ways included - Bath are selling 175 seats of out 189 on both flights - I guess the other seats are for Bath Family/staff, tour guides and Press etc...

SOU has the ability to do these day trips too...?? or not

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 16:51
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Not so easy from SOU as an aircraft has to position in to operate as no jet available, Flybe fully committed in the summer on there E jet , so therefore a cost implication to start with

I know a TUI B738 will have to position in to operate from BOH as there based aircraft is operational that day , but there is BOH based cabin crew to operate it

Also the same old story is , early departure and late arrival back to SOU and no guarantee of the night arrival being on time

Tranun , Santa holidays and Canterbury travel being the latest examples of this with day trips to Lapland being moved to BOH
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 17:04
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​​Reading your post is there any point in having a runway extension at SOU?,will any airline want to base 320s there with the time restrictions?
it doesn't look to good based on your facts!
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 17:19
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Oh I don’t doubt the extension will go ahead but it’s down to the individual airlines as to who comes in

I would imagine there will be a battle with the local council and residents about opening times and there lies the final problem , no new airline is going to base aircraft there until guaranteed later opening times are agreed .

An example at the moment is the Christmas charter flights that moved to BOH
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 17:50
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The recent TCAS FAN explanation on the airport open hours drawn up with EBC when the airport was developed is very prohibited,unless this changes and it must be a big if! then I can't see any LCC operator being interested.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 18:26
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Originally Posted by RW20
The recent TCAS FAN explanation on the airport open hours drawn up with EBC when the airport was developed is very prohibited,unless this changes and it must be a big if! then I can't see any LCC operator being interested.
While the current Flying Controls Agreement severely limits movements between 2300/0600 HR (0730 Sundays) they may be workable to return the odd late arrival/departure. The main threat to this is airport manning. As I have indicated in previous posts attendance of staff (airport operator's, handling agent and NATS) past about 2300 is invariably voluntary as staff are in to overtime, which they may not be forced to work. This is the weak link.

The airport used to provide their own handling (Skycare) and ATC, which could prove more economic and flexible to do long term over contracting it out..That's assuming that the relatively new owners are into a long term plan!
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I would imagine there will be a battle with the local council and residents about opening times and there lies the final problem , no new airline is going to base aircraft there until guaranteed later opening times are agreed .
It would be surprising if a runway extension and longer opening hours were acceptable to local residents and councils, if anything there might be a push to reduce hours to compensate for the (perceived) extra noise from more, bigger a/c.

It will be very good work indeed if the airport can convince all involved that the runway extension only works with longer hours, and that this can be achieved with minimal impact on locals, and with economic benefits for the wider region. A challenge!
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Does everyone agree that both BOH and SOU are our regional airports for this region? I regularly use both depending upon what i need to do whether its a connection on from CDG/AMS/MAN or BOH for a low cost flight to Europe.

If we do agree, then surely it's better (for example) if Rigby were to buy SOU and sell it to housing development (for what I imagine would be a massive return on investment) and consolidate everything at one large and flexible airport with improved transport links and bus services across the south much in the way BRS current does it. They don't have a train line nor do they appear to need one.

I fear if something is not done in this regard then SOU will plateau and BOH will not become better for all of us in the south. We need an airport to rival that of BRS for both Southampton/south east and Bournemouth/south west.

I am eager to hear other opinions. Apparently many years ago it was suggested that both BOH and SOU be closed and a new airport in Totton be opened. I would think that is worse for the environment.
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nice try for a Friday morning!
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
Does everyone agree that both BOH and SOU are our regional airports for this region? I regularly use both depending upon what i need to do whether its a connection on from CDG/AMS/MAN or BOH for a low cost flight to Europe.

If we do agree, then surely it's better (for example) if Rigby were to buy SOU and sell it to housing development (for what I imagine would be a massive return on investment) and consolidate everything at one large and flexible airport with improved transport links and bus services across the south much in the way BRS current does.
What are you puting on your cornflakes? Why would the existing owners sell up so the new buyers can make a killing selling off the land for non aviation development?

If SOU business did drop off to the extent that the owners can show that the existing site is not viable as an airport business, my understanding that is that it would be considered a brown field site and thereby many planning application requirements will not apply.
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