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Old 4th Sep 2018, 16:39
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A lot of talk of links from SOU with destinations like Madrid and Barcelona for example,but for these to transpire and survive requires a forward looking management team with good back up advertising!.Alas this is not the case with SOU and hasnt been for many a year i.e. Vueling to Barcelona,and currently Flylolo to Skiathos for example.As quoted many times in the past,SOU has the catchment,transport links and much potential for expansion given investment and good management.There rests the case!
If it's aviation opportunities are constrained by runway length then perhaps the number crunchers are thinking there are more investment returns to be had by turning it into housing or industrial development. The lack of marketing and airport infastructure modernisation is concerning.



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Old 4th Sep 2018, 17:14
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As quoted many times in the past,SOU has the catchment,transport links and much potential for expansion given investment and good management.
or "build it and they will come"?

The lack of marketing and airport infastructure modernisation is concerning.
or "We're all doomed!"

Here we go, round and round again. Airport management can move heaven and earth, but if the numbers don't make sense to the airlines nothings happening. Maybe concentrate on what you do well?
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 17:19
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
or "build it and they will come"?

or "We're all doomed!"

Here we go, round and round again. Airport management can move heaven and earth, but if the numbers don't make sense to the airlines nothings happening. Maybe concentrate on what you do well?
So what do you mean by " concentrate on what you do well" ?
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The things that are currently making you money!!
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 17:32
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The things that are currently making you money!!
Got it! Thanks SWBKCB. The only thing is if the revenue stream seems to be declining, then what does the airport do?
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 17:45
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Beyond the "sky is falling" ramblings usually presented on here, is there actually any evidence that the airport revenue stream is declining?
Would the recent rise in passenger numbers (albeit a slight decline this summer compared to last) not indicate that perhaps the opposite might be true?
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Yeah, maybe, maybe the management are content with stability and what they have now and the positives they do have, maybe they just don’t think that expansion or huge investment is credible with restricted flying times / curfews and runway length. If they were in mass decline maybe they would think again but the figures show stability. There is a lot to be said for that.
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Inbound Eurowings A319 services could do very well at SOU much as they do for NQY in the summer season.

Southampton needs far more of this type traffic: WOW from Iceland, WIZZ from Poland and Eurowings from Germany.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 08:49
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
Inbound Eurowings A319 services could do very well at SOU much as they do for NQY in the summer season.

Southampton needs far more of this type traffic: WOW from Iceland, WIZZ from Poland and Eurowings from Germany.
I'd like to add Wideroes into the mix with their new Embraers. Southampton port does some good numbers on Fjord cruises. Considering they are now out of Liverpool twice a week I wonder if this would work from Southampton ; nearest Scandi options being ex-Gatwick of course.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 16:05
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With all these suggestions of routes that could work from SOU,there is one major long term problem,and that is simply that the airport needs progressive,driven management,and it hasn't happened and unlikely too with the present management.
Take a look at Jersey airside and structure improvements recently announced, to see how to move on with airport improvements.
It's not happening at SOU and there is no short term possibility of it happening.I don't think there is any real prospects of route expansion with the existing set up at SOU
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 16:23
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I don't think there is any real prospects of route expansion with the existing set up at SOU
SOU is constrained by the its operating hours and runway, difficult for management to do much about these. What other set up changes would be needed for route expansion?
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 16:27
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
SOU is constrained by the its operating hours and runway, difficult for management to do much about these. What other set up changes would be needed for route expansion?
Don't understand the operating hours argument, airport closes at 2230 to flights although they have an hours grace til 2330 if applied for. Is that not sufficient?
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 18:07
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Two or three years ago Flybe had up to 10/11 based units at SOU which has now dropped to 6/7. In the end, you have to question why? Whilst we know the issues facing the airline in becoming profitable, unless the airport are willing to support sustainable and long term growth, it’s difficult to see why any airline would launch operations.

SOU is an attractive airport, it’s a large catchment area of relatively strong wealth. No reason it can’t prosper.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 19:02
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unless the airport are willing to support sustainable and long term growth
This thread is full of these sorts of comments. So what is it that should be done?
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It's so obvious ! Invest in airside,i e stands,taxiway,450 feetrunway extension,and promotion of the airport. It will to late soon, Bournemouth will capitilise with Jet 2,Exeter is getting Ryanair,and what does Southampton have,a declining airline in Flybe!
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 07:38
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Originally Posted by RW20
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It's so obvious ! Invest in airside,i e stands,taxiway,450 feetrunway extension,and promotion of the airport. It will to late soon, Bournemouth will capitilise with Jet 2,Exeter is getting Ryanair,and what does Southampton have,a declining airline in Flybe!
Alls not lost, the airport have FlyLolo expanding next year!😂
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Originally Posted by RW20
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It's so obvious ! Invest in airside,i e stands,taxiway,450 feetrunway extension,and promotion of the airport.
Two or three years ago Flybe had up to 10/11 based units at SOU which has now dropped to 6/7.
So stands shouldn't be an issue...

Taxiway - is there any evidence that this affecting airline ops i.e. causing delays? LTN has managed for years without a full length taxiway

Runway extension - there's a motorway at one end and a railway yard at the other, so where exactly without spending mega bucks?!

Promotion of the airport - the elephant in the room is that the airport attracts new airlines which then slip away or don't develop
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 20:49
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Stands are an issue,SOU needs 737/320 size stands X 5 at least,back tracking and holding for 20 requires time,delaying outbound at least,read :
AirportWatch | To conceal the real number of aircraft noise complaints, Gatwick now just records one per person per day
New airlines will simply not come without enhanced airside and promoted routes,vueling,volotea for example.
Expect little progress until there is radical change!
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Stands are an issue,SOU needs 737/320 size stands X 5 at least,back tracking and holding for 20 requires time,delaying outbound at least,read :
AirportWatch To conceal the real number of aircraft noise complaints, Gatwick now just records one per person per day
New airlines will simply not come without enhanced airside and promoted routes,vueling,volotea for example.
Expect little progress until there is radical change!
Viewed a recent you tube clip of a cockpit landing on 02 and was shocked to see how much undergrowth and trees exist on approach, to the point that you can hardly see the landing lights before the motorway. How on earth do the airport get away with this as it must be a safety issue and i dont know of another airport that suffers from this lack of care and maintenance!

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Viewed a recent you tube clip of a cockpit landing on 02 and was shocked to see how much undergrowth and trees exist on approach, to the point that you can hardly see the landing lights before the motorway. How on earth do the airport get away with this as it must be a safety issue and i dont know of another airport that suffers from this lack of care and maintenance!

Is it on airport land though?
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