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Old 28th Jan 2019, 10:51
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For anyone who is interested, I've found some information about tree management on the airport's website.
It looks like they've been actively reducing tree heights and felling on lots of areas south of the runway, with Marlhill Copse next on the list. According to the website the airport bought the land there last year.
This seems like a very positive development for the airport, with a runway 20 starter extension and a climbout cleared of many of today's obstacles it would appear that much of the existing performance limitations at SOU would disappear.

https://www.southamptonairport.com/a...-safeguarding/
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 13:31
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Can't do much about the hill though which is the main obstacle on climb out from 20
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 20:28
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD View Post
Latest news regarding the Fly Lolo " saga / soap / serial " is they are still on track to operate peak flights from Southampton which are 8 routes advertised and on a TV comercial from SOU , but there own Fly Lolo website shows another 3 routes on sale still

Regarding the aircraft operating they are back to either a FK 70 or a Boeing 737 300 , operating from within the EU , with an announcement due soon !!

Watch this space , again !!
Just checked their twitter page and seems there were 7 passengers on a flight from Manchester to Tenerife recently. Also they are promoting SOU as London Southampton on their summer destinations, lmfao!!
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 00:05
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
Also they are promoting SOU as London Southampton on their summer destinations, lmfao!!
I know what you mean, distance wise thatís ridiculous. However I bet you can get to Waterloo from touching down at Southampton far faster than you can get to Euston from touch down at Stansted.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 00:49
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Originally Posted by Del Prado View Post


I know what you mean, distance wise thatís ridiculous. However I bet you can get to Waterloo from touching down at Southampton far faster than you can get to Euston from touch down at Stansted.
From Stansted the train goes directly to London Liverpool Street not Euston. So by having to change trains to get to Euston youíre not really comparing like for like are you?

Stansted to Liverpool Street takes 47 minutes by the way.

The quickest journey from Southampton Airport to Waterloo takes 1hr 12.

Southampton is definitely not a London airport.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:26
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
Just checked their twitter page and seems there were 7 passengers on a flight from Manchester to Tenerife recently. Also they are promoting SOU as London Southampton on their summer destinations, lmfao!!
Didnít they only run for a couple of peak weeks over Christmas? For balance how many on the return leg?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:58
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OK my bets odds on for 2019/2020

EZY will add more seasonal flights from SOU - maybe W's at first or inbound from foreign bases (like the GVA is now)

An almighty rumpus re Flybe's buyout (It's brewing)

Fly Lolo maybe will cobble some of their S19 flights together with an aircraft for this summer, but I reckon we will not see them back for 2020

Stephen Bath will make a conservative come back at BOH with a reborn Palmair
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 08:10
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Originally Posted by pamann View Post


From Stansted the train goes directly to London Liverpool Street not Euston. So by having to change trains to get to Euston youíre not really comparing like for like are you?

Stansted to Liverpool Street takes 47 minutes by the way.

The quickest journey from Southampton Airport to Waterloo takes 1hr 12.

Southampton is definitely not a London airport.
Sorry, my bad, I meant Liverpool Street.

However you may be missing my point.

It takes around one hour from touch down at Stansted, to taxy to stand, disembark, walk to immigration, (queue at immigration!), walk through airport to station, best Iíve managed is 40 minutes.

from touchdown to station at Southampton is around 15 minutes, although I have done it in 7!

i base the estimates above on extensive recent experience of both airports and from runway to central London, Southampton is faster.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 08:29
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 View Post
Can't do much about the hill though which is the main obstacle on climb out from 20
On the contrary, you can mitigate its impact.

For 20+ years SOU has had an alternative departure procedure depicted on a Type A obstacle chart " Runway 20 +15į slew". This is intended to turn the aircraft away from the hill, to provide a much better obstacle environment, thereby permitting increased take-off weights (ie more fuel and/or PAX). The problem was/is trees in Marhill Copse - were/are too close to the end of the runway to permit execution of the turn to take advantage of the improved obstacle environment. Fix the tree problem to permit a turn to use the "15į slew" + add the starter strip and we are in to to my "icing on cake" sceanrio!
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 20:35
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
Just checked their twitter page and seems there were 7 passengers on a flight from Manchester to Tenerife recently. Also they are promoting SOU as London Southampton on their summer destinations, lmfao!!
Judging by the fact that tweet was sent mid January and their location at time of the post was Tenerife, I'd guess it was the last outbound after the new year which would otherwise be an empty leg.

Believe they cancelled Glasgow at xmas because of low sales so doubt they'd have run Manchester if they only sold 7 seats on the actual return flights
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 21:54
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I would be surprised if Easy jet continued the Geneva route into April now

Looking at past years the earliest they put that month on sale was November and the latest was end of January ( based on Bournemouth records )

No idea yet how itís performed this year as December figures still not available
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 23:19
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Lolo's flights do not seem to be showing up on skyscanner anymore, that's certainly not going to help with sales
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 07:33
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Originally Posted by Chris_747 View Post
Lolo's flights do not seem to be showing up on skyscanner anymore, that's certainly not going to help with sales
Both Flylolo Facebook and Twitter accounts show no activity since well before Xmas - Not a good sign when you are trying to market a new product for this Summer...

The whole thing seems a missed opportunity despite them employing 2 very notable folk from the package Hol and flight only Industry who in the past have run very tight operations with big companies.

The SOU TV advert shown two weeks ago at peak time has not been seen since and was IMHO a bit weak
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CAA passenger figures for December 18 are now out. Looking specifically at the Geneva route, 2608 people were carried in the month.
Thatís a 15% reduction from the year before but this was mostly down to this December having less flights- easyJet had 2 more rotations the year before.
Flybeís average load was 58 per flight, giving them 1038 of the total. They averaged 61 per flight last year.
Easyjet carried 1570 on 12 flights, which comes out as an average of 131 pax per flight, an increase on last year when their average was 124.
BOH was also 124 last year, and is up slightly to 127 this year.

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:17
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts View Post
CAA passenger figures for December 18 are now out. Looking specifically at the Geneva route, 2608 people were carried in the month.
Thatís a 15% reduction from the year before but this was mostly down to this December having less flights- easyJet had 2 more rotations the year before.
Flybeís average load was 52 per flight, giving them 1038 of the total. They averaged 61 per flight last year.
Easyjet carried 1570 on 12 flights, which comes out as an average of 131 pax per flight, an increase on last year when their average was 124.
BOH was also 124 last year, and is up slightly to 127 this year.
As it wasnít a full month and not peak ski season, I would say EZY pax average was fairly strong and definitely going in the right direction!
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:08
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Also, two out of their three weekly flights from SOU are midweek and they donít yet have any on Saturday, the peak changeover day.
Itís maybe not quite as important around Christmas, but if they continue to show growth through the rest of the season youíd have to assume that their loads could be even higher if they had more weekend flights.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:24
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you’d have to assume that their loads could be even higher if they had more weekend flights.
or you could ask why there are no flights on the peak changeover day? Be interesting to see how numbers compare with other EZY UK bases.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:37
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
or you could ask why there are no flights on the peak changeover day? Be interesting to see how numbers compare with other EZY UK bases.
A lot of folk can go for just a long weekend ski-ing which fits in with EZY GVA schedules from both SOU and BOH -

BOH is daily now except Tues and Weds

SOU is Thu Sun Tues
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 17:56
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts View Post
CAA passenger figures for December 18 are now out. Looking specifically at the Geneva route, 2608 people were carried in the month.
Thatís a 15% reduction from the year before but this was mostly down to this December having less flights- easyJet had 2 more rotations the year before.
Flybeís average load was 52 per flight, giving them 1038 of the total. They averaged 61 per flight last year.
Easyjet carried 1570 on 12 flights, which comes out as an average of 131 pax per flight, an increase on last year when their average was 124.
BOH was also 124 last year, and is up slightly to 127 this year.
Very concise reporting !!
Just a question to you , I was wondering where you got the Flybe figure from of averaging 52 per flight as the figures provided are all lumped into together making it difficult to work out their respective loads

Not criticising at all just curious ?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 20:04
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Both Flylolo Facebook and Twitter accounts show no activity since well before Xmas - Not a good sign when you are trying to market a new product for this Summer...

The whole thing seems a missed opportunity despite them employing 2 very notable folk from the package Hol and flight only Industry who in the past have run very tight operations with big companies.

The SOU TV advert shown two weeks ago at peak time has not been seen since and was IMHO a bit weak
As you say rog747, this whole operation looks doomed. Still no social media updates since before Xmas and not a word on the airline operator that is supposed to run the summer program. An airline announcement was due to be made in Sep/Oct last year and how they think they are going to fill seats on 8 destinations god only knows. I can foresee only the Skiathos route coming back and that's it. This is Powdair all over again!
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