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What seems strange and limiting is the suggestion that operations by Boeing types like 738/Max will not be viable after the runway extension!.This surely severely limits who might operate and more to the point who would want to operate from SOU?
The routes to/from SOU therefore for the 738 & MAX will be limited - We have already seen Air Europa a while back flying for Thomson Hols with the 738 and the type did not last long.
I think that was only flights to PMI IBZ and MAH, someone here will know for sure and correct this - very short routes, but still faced tech stops and diversions on occasions. When (AE) they used the 734 all was pretty fine....
Correction to my post above but KM/air malta does now fly non-stop from SEN to MLA 3 days a week in S19 and other days via sicily and sardinia - not sure if this is due to the new 320Neo being used for those flights and/or any payload limits.
Loads must have been good for KM to try another year of ops from SEN...even with EZY also flying the MLA route.
But just announced WIZZ are also doing sicily next year from SEN so competition is STIFF...
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Both SEN & SOU CAT 1 ILS, SOU has no chance of ever becoming CAT 3 due to obstacles. Best bet long term is IR HUD fit in aircraft.
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I would be very interested to know what radar is this fibre optic cable for?,there's been no info on any Watchman replacement!.
On the ILS point,there are many cat 1 airport's that operate with extensive operations i.e Cardiff,and with RNAV developing (02 on LPAV) Cat2/3 operations become less relevant ,so I would say that SOU could fulfill the requirements for LCC operations on the approach aids,but may be TCAS FAN can give his valid opinion on this.
I would be very interested to know what radar is this fibre optic cable for?,there's been no info on any Watchman replacement!.
On the ILS point,there are many cat 1 airport's that operate with extensive operations i.e Cardiff,and with RNAV developing (02 on LPAV) Cat2/3 operations become less relevant ,so I would say that SOU could fulfill the requirements for LCC operations on the approach aids,but may be TCAS FAN can give his valid opinion on this.
Stewby and TCAS FAN
I would be very interested to know what radar is this fibre optic cable for?,there's been no info on any Watchman replacement!.
On the ILS point,there are many cat 1 airport's that operate with extensive operations i.e Cardiff,and with RNAV developing (02 on LPAV) Cat2/3 operations become less relevant ,so I would say that SOU could fulfill the requirements for LCC operations on the approach aids,but may be TCAS FAN can give his valid opinion on this.
I would be very interested to know what radar is this fibre optic cable for?,there's been no info on any Watchman replacement!.
On the ILS point,there are many cat 1 airport's that operate with extensive operations i.e Cardiff,and with RNAV developing (02 on LPAV) Cat2/3 operations become less relevant ,so I would say that SOU could fulfill the requirements for LCC operations on the approach aids,but may be TCAS FAN can give his valid opinion on this.
Is IR HUD the way forward for lower vis ops on CAT 1 runways? Note that AUR are getting it on their new ATR 72s.
The advantage that Cardiff has is that they have ILS on both runways and while not having full CAT 1 approach lighting systems they are very close to it and therefore should have an approach minima at or close to the lowest possible 550 metres. SOU and SEN have considerably less approach lighting which I would speculate will give them a minima around 7-800 metres.
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Thanks TCAS FAN for the wealth of knowledge, I was simply wondering why there was no mention of Nav improvements in the draft master plan (or if it would actually be required to attract a LCC) I also haven't seen any indication of plans to carry out a full runway resurface like some have mentioned in previous posts.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong,but isn't the absolute cat 1 minima even with full approach lighting for any airport including Cardiff :650 RVR,with the 200 ft cloud base?. Southampton will be well above this as you say,but again ILS is old and RNAV approachs will surely be on 20 soon?
Forgive me if I'm wrong,but isn't the absolute cat 1 minima even with full approach lighting for any airport including Cardiff :650 RVR,with the 200 ft cloud base?. Southampton will be well above this as you say,but again ILS is old and RNAV approachs will surely be on 20 soon?
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Correct, but it depends on whether the cloud is BKN, OVC, SCT etc as to whether it could cause a problem, I've approached many airports where the cloud base has been 100ft and still got visual at decision altitude. At night it's alot easier to "see the lights".
The forward visibility is irrelevant provided you have the requisite 550m, again I've had 10k visibility with the cloud base at 100ft and gone around and as above I've had 550m with a cloud base of 100ft and got in.
The forward visibility is irrelevant provided you have the requisite 550m, again I've had 10k visibility with the cloud base at 100ft and gone around and as above I've had 550m with a cloud base of 100ft and got in.
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Maybe it’s time to take a week off? Can’t fault your enthusiasm but this topic has been discussed to death now. Easy will open a base at SOU once they have created the 4 parking stands they need and extended the runway. The current 737 is essentially the same plane that Boeing introduced back in the 60s. It’s a pretty awful airplane by all accounts. SOU will really come into its own once the A220 is ordered in numbers by the low cost operators. This is the next frontier of aviation, watch this space.
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Why does everyone think the Boeing 737-800 can't use SOU? Isn't Ryanair basing THREE of them at SEN???
When the A320 currently uses SOU it takes up TWO apron stands. This would be repeated for a 738.
When the A320 currently uses SOU it takes up TWO apron stands. This would be repeated for a 738.
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The SEN base has not opened yet, it remains to be seen whether it proves operationally viable through a winter. I doubt it will last . Ryanair have history with this. Several years ago they opened a base at Belfast City (which has a longer runway and better declared distances than SOU has now or plans in future). The base did not last because of payload restrictions related to the short runway, the airline moved to the larger Aldergrove.
Belfast City data here: http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2018-12-06.pdf
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