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Expect growth to be unleashed at SOU once the runway take-off length is addressed by Summer 2020. Ryanair services to Dublin and Europe, easyJet (domestics), Jet2 (holidays), Wizz air (Romania, Bulgaria, Poland), Wow (Iceland) & Norwegian (to Scandinavia) are all contenders for new services and based aircraft and believe me from what i've heard the airport is doing all it can to secure them. The days of kowtowing to Flybe are well and truly over.
BOH will most likely lose most if not all of its LCC 'status' after this but to be honest it is important for the region to have at least one airport that excels. We don't need two that are not going anywhere.
BOH will most likely lose most if not all of its LCC 'status' after this but to be honest it is important for the region to have at least one airport that excels. We don't need two that are not going anywhere.
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Cloud cuckoo springs to mind.
It doesn't matter who the airport is talking to, what matters is whether they're talking back. The airport can approach emirates if it so wishes, it doesn't mean there'll be a new emirates A380 service pending just because they've been approached. This whole notion of extending the runway and they'll come is pure conjecture and not based on any substance or fact. The fact is airlines might come, but the fact also is they might not.
It doesn't matter who the airport is talking to, what matters is whether they're talking back. The airport can approach emirates if it so wishes, it doesn't mean there'll be a new emirates A380 service pending just because they've been approached. This whole notion of extending the runway and they'll come is pure conjecture and not based on any substance or fact. The fact is airlines might come, but the fact also is they might not.
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Expect growth to be unleashed at SOU once the runway take-off length is addressed by Summer 2020. Ryanair services to Dublin and Europe, easyJet (domestics), Jet2 (holidays), Wizz air (Romania, Bulgaria, Poland), Wow (Iceland) & Norwegian (to Scandinavia) are all contenders for new services and based aircraft and believe me from what i've heard the airport is doing all it can to secure them. The days of kowtowing to Flybe are well and truly over.
BOH will most likely lose most if not all of its LCC 'status' after this but to be honest it is important for the region to have at least one airport that excels. We don't need two that are not going anywhere.
BOH will most likely lose most if not all of its LCC 'status' after this but to be honest it is important for the region to have at least one airport that excels. We don't need two that are not going anywhere.
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Realistically, all the airport can hope for in the short term is maybe EZY offering a few sun/city/domestic destinations and someone like Wizz starting a couple of Polish/Eastern European routes. The airport simply doesn’t have the space for your wish list above and will just as likely end up with a single LCC that operates or worse case none at all.
As for taking over from BOU, that’s just ridiculous!
As for taking over from BOU, that’s just ridiculous!
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In the proposed revamp of stands 1-5 (as per masterplan) there are 4 -738/A320 stands available,all other stands are usable only by smaller props /jets.
This alone is a major restriction for any LCC operations,however let's get the extension and taxiway approved and completed before fantasizing on possible
airlines! coming to SOU.
This alone is a major restriction for any LCC operations,however let's get the extension and taxiway approved and completed before fantasizing on possible
airlines! coming to SOU.
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For Airport hours see the CAA Publication:
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2018-12-06.pdf
Night time closure - details are contained in the Airport’s noise action plan:
There are very strict limits on the number of scheduled night flights that Southampton Airport may operate during the night period. The night period is defined from 23:00 to 06:00, or to 07:30 on Sunday mornings. The airport is permitted to operate 10 scheduled night flights per month, but not more than 100 in any 12 month period. However, occasionally flights operate during these times for unexpected reasons such as poor weather or as a result of en-route air traffic control delays. Additionally some ambulance flights carrying patients or transporting donor organs are accepted during night hours, for emergency medical reasons.
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http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2018-12-06.pdf
Night time closure - details are contained in the Airport’s noise action plan:
There are very strict limits on the number of scheduled night flights that Southampton Airport may operate during the night period. The night period is defined from 23:00 to 06:00, or to 07:30 on Sunday mornings. The airport is permitted to operate 10 scheduled night flights per month, but not more than 100 in any 12 month period. However, occasionally flights operate during these times for unexpected reasons such as poor weather or as a result of en-route air traffic control delays. Additionally some ambulance flights carrying patients or transporting donor organs are accepted during night hours, for emergency medical reasons.
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Interpreting the listed permitted operational hours as you have both quoted would mean an Easy Jet 320 e.g. could take off by 06-01 and land by 23-00 without infringement?
If so and with the additional safeguard of 10 flights per week over 23-00 allowance,surely that does not impede basing a 4x 320/738 operation at SOU?
Given that the airport provides and can adjust to the times!.
Interpreting the listed permitted operational hours as you have both quoted would mean an Easy Jet 320 e.g. could take off by 06-01 and land by 23-00 without infringement?
If so and with the additional safeguard of 10 flights per week over 23-00 allowance,surely that does not impede basing a 4x 320/738 operation at SOU?
Given that the airport provides and can adjust to the times!.
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I think you will find the night operation provision is there to cover ‘exceptions’ such as delayas and one of flights such as air ambulance etc rather than a ‘scheduled’ use.
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absolutely - the numbers of delayed SOU scheduled flights that divert to BOH after 23:00 each year - 20 or so I believe - evidences the restriction to exceptional circumstances, permission is sometimes not granted.
Having had first hand experience of this scenario, on the contrary the normal reason for diversions has been that staff (often NATS) are not willing/able to stay on duty after their normal end of shift time.
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Should know this week if Easy jet are operating any new flights next summer as there new summer release went on sale today with LGW , MAN , STN and BRS seeing some new destinations
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Ahead of the first Geneva ski flights this weekend, I thought I'd post some analysis I did of last years SOU and BOH GVA passenger figures just for interest really and because I love statistics! Data from the CAA website and other airport sources. I posted this on the Bournemouth thread at the end of the last winter season but didn't get any responses, maybe people here will find it more interesting.
Winter 16/17
SOU 5858 pax on Flybe (15% market share)
BOH 33273 pax on easy (85% market share)
Total pax 39131
Winter 17/18
SOU Flybe 7083 (21% increase on 16/17, 35% of SOU-GVA pax)
SOU easy 13314 (65% of SOU-GVA pax)
SOU overall 20397 (348% increase on 17/18, 40% market share)
BOH 28986 (13% decrease on 16/17, 60% market share)
Total pax 49383 (26% increase on 16/17)
Looking at the numbers, the impression I get is that easyJet have expanded the overall south coast to Geneva market by opening up a route from SOU, and increased demand without cannibalising their Bournemouth route. Flybe also saw healthy growth in their pax numbers from one year to the next. BOH saw a decrease in passengers and market share, but not really a huge one.
It will be interesting to see how the figures look at the end of this winter season.
Winter 16/17
SOU 5858 pax on Flybe (15% market share)
BOH 33273 pax on easy (85% market share)
Total pax 39131
Winter 17/18
SOU Flybe 7083 (21% increase on 16/17, 35% of SOU-GVA pax)
SOU easy 13314 (65% of SOU-GVA pax)
SOU overall 20397 (348% increase on 17/18, 40% market share)
BOH 28986 (13% decrease on 16/17, 60% market share)
Total pax 49383 (26% increase on 16/17)
Looking at the numbers, the impression I get is that easyJet have expanded the overall south coast to Geneva market by opening up a route from SOU, and increased demand without cannibalising their Bournemouth route. Flybe also saw healthy growth in their pax numbers from one year to the next. BOH saw a decrease in passengers and market share, but not really a huge one.
It will be interesting to see how the figures look at the end of this winter season.
Forget any use of the 737-800NG or Max at SOU on a regular basis even with the tiny runway extension...
The a/c is s slippery beast, with much higher landing speeds, the brakes are not so fancy, plus other performance related issues for take offs that will not see this a/c be used at SOU for any high density loadings - If you then restrict payload the £££'s lost matter, which no airline will seriously consider.
If you think otherwise then why do you think that none have ever operated out of SOU as yet - and stayed...
The A320 is a different animal - still economical to operate out of SEN even with a slightly restricted payload of between 5-15 seats less (out of 186) to the Canary islands.
If anyone new is going to come to SOU to have a go then it will be EZY imho.
(I suspect they are watching closely as to what happens,,,)
The a/c is s slippery beast, with much higher landing speeds, the brakes are not so fancy, plus other performance related issues for take offs that will not see this a/c be used at SOU for any high density loadings - If you then restrict payload the £££'s lost matter, which no airline will seriously consider.
If you think otherwise then why do you think that none have ever operated out of SOU as yet - and stayed...
The A320 is a different animal - still economical to operate out of SEN even with a slightly restricted payload of between 5-15 seats less (out of 186) to the Canary islands.
If anyone new is going to come to SOU to have a go then it will be EZY imho.
(I suspect they are watching closely as to what happens,,,)
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Forget any use of the 737-800NG or Max at SOU on a regular basis even with the tiny runway extension...
The a/c is s slippery beast, with much higher landing speeds, the brakes are not so fancy, plus other performance related issues for take offs that will not see this a/c be used at SOU for any high density loadings - If you then restrict payload the £££'s lost matter, which no airline will seriously consider.
If you think otherwise then why do you think that none have ever operated out of SOU as yet - and stayed...
The A320 is a different animal - still economical to operate out of SEN even with a slightly restricted payload of between 5-15 seats less (out of 186) to the Canary islands.
If anyone new is going to come to SOU to have a go then it will be EZY imho.
(I suspect they are watching closely as to what happens,,,)
The a/c is s slippery beast, with much higher landing speeds, the brakes are not so fancy, plus other performance related issues for take offs that will not see this a/c be used at SOU for any high density loadings - If you then restrict payload the £££'s lost matter, which no airline will seriously consider.
If you think otherwise then why do you think that none have ever operated out of SOU as yet - and stayed...
The A320 is a different animal - still economical to operate out of SEN even with a slightly restricted payload of between 5-15 seats less (out of 186) to the Canary islands.
If anyone new is going to come to SOU to have a go then it will be EZY imho.
(I suspect they are watching closely as to what happens,,,)
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Forget any use of the 737-800NG or Max at SOU on a regular basis even with the tiny runway extension...
The a/c is s slippery beast, with much higher landing speeds, the brakes are not so fancy, plus other performance related issues for take offs that will not see this a/c be used at SOU for any high density loadings - If you then restrict payload the £££'s lost matter, which no airline will seriously consider.
If you think otherwise then why do you think that none have ever operated out of SOU as yet - and stayed...
The A320 is a different animal - still economical to operate out of SEN even with a slightly restricted payload of between 5-15 seats less (out of 186) to the Canary islands.
If anyone new is going to come to SOU to have a go then it will be EZY imho.
(I suspect they are watching closely as to what happens,,,)
The a/c is s slippery beast, with much higher landing speeds, the brakes are not so fancy, plus other performance related issues for take offs that will not see this a/c be used at SOU for any high density loadings - If you then restrict payload the £££'s lost matter, which no airline will seriously consider.
If you think otherwise then why do you think that none have ever operated out of SOU as yet - and stayed...
The A320 is a different animal - still economical to operate out of SEN even with a slightly restricted payload of between 5-15 seats less (out of 186) to the Canary islands.
If anyone new is going to come to SOU to have a go then it will be EZY imho.
(I suspect they are watching closely as to what happens,,,)
Time will tell, but I'm not sure how the 737-800 SFP would work out of SOU.