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He could also have meant too big as in it's a lot of seats to shift for a small niche start-up. They're struggling to fill 97 seats on an E195 this summer so an A321 would be a huge step up.
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New SOU Managing Director being quoted in an Anna Aero newsletter seemingly making fairly clear that any additional EasyJet activity at SOU looks pretty unlikely for the time being: "In terms of additional routes, the potential’s always there. At the moment we’re focusing on them coming back for the winter season with Geneva"
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New SOU Managing Director being quoted in an Anna Aero newsletter seemingly making fairly clear that any additional EasyJet activity at SOU looks pretty unlikely for the time being: "In terms of additional routes, the potential’s always there. At the moment we’re focusing on them coming back for the winter season with Geneva"
That’s the final nail in the coffin for me, David Brent leaving was a golden opportunity to bring someone in to drive the airport forward. SOU is now stuck with a lacklustre owner, a lacklustre MD (who will probably hang around for a decade like the last bad smell) and a lucklustre airline. Game over, close this thread.
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It beggers belief that SOU continues in the low key, uneventful
Vein ,what hope is there of any progress in its development.
Years of missed opportunities,lack of development,poor management,
is going to hit the airport hard very soon!
Bournemouth will take full advantage of the London maxed out capacity
2019 will see things literally take off for Bournemouth!
It beggers belief that SOU continues in the low key, uneventful
Vein ,what hope is there of any progress in its development.
Years of missed opportunities,lack of development,poor management,
is going to hit the airport hard very soon!
Bournemouth will take full advantage of the London maxed out capacity
2019 will see things literally take off for Bournemouth!
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Just out of interest RJ, what were you actually expecting him to say? I doubt he's going to come out and provide a journalist with a blow-by-blow account of commercial negotiations in progress.
As far as I remember the EZY route came completely out of the blue when it was announced (and the others too), so they seem to keep their cards close to their chest.
He mentioned airport expansion and acknowledged the lack of progress with the previous masterplan, so it sounds like they've got something in the pipeline, at least it does to me anyway.
As far as I remember the EZY route came completely out of the blue when it was announced (and the others too), so they seem to keep their cards close to their chest.
He mentioned airport expansion and acknowledged the lack of progress with the previous masterplan, so it sounds like they've got something in the pipeline, at least it does to me anyway.
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I know from a pretty good source that easyJet Switzerland (not easyJet) approached SOU and basically told them they were coming in. No negotiation at all. It was all operational in nature.
I think emotions are running too high here though. I am a fan of BOH but I do see the potential at SOU to be complimentary to whatever LCC stuff goes on at BOH. Between SOU and BOH they should together be running at similar levels to BRS (8m pax per annum). SOU will struggle a little with LHR 3rd runway, so it's imperative that they start to get traction now.
I think emotions are running too high here though. I am a fan of BOH but I do see the potential at SOU to be complimentary to whatever LCC stuff goes on at BOH. Between SOU and BOH they should together be running at similar levels to BRS (8m pax per annum). SOU will struggle a little with LHR 3rd runway, so it's imperative that they start to get traction now.
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Of course SOU can handle a A320 we are all aware of that and the airport has seen many, you are aware that Easyjet were using them on the GVA route over the winter plus other than the Iberworld A320 that you have mentioned the airport has also in the past seen regular flights with other operators using the A320 including Spanair and BH Air plus the odd diversions and on some of the Lapland charters but you have to take in the fact that day trips to see Santa are going to be a lot lighter than a fully loaded flight to the Med which does hinder the loads ex SOU for an A320 especially with the heat and the short runway but is it too big for the airport of course not but it has it's limitations but a lot less so than a B738 for example.
I was hoping that some of the EasyJet A319's would be kept within the fleet possibly to open up new routes or bases but they all seem to be leaving the fleet over the next couple of years as the incoming NEOs replaces them with a large number of the A319's destined for United.
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CAA stats for July show an 8% drop on same period last year with big reductions on regional France destinations and PMI down 35% 
. Clearly capacity exists for PMI in the future and hence I guess the rumours surrounding EZY for S19!!
. Clearly capacity exists for PMI in the future and hence I guess the rumours surrounding EZY for S19!!
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Looking at the Skiathos flight for July the figures don't make for good reading
439 passengers used the service on a Flybe 195 aircraft capped at 97 passengers
The first flight went out full according to the press launch of 97 passengers and obviously returned full , leaving 245 passengers for 7 flights ( out and back ) making a total of approximately 35 passengers per flight
Not sure if Lolo flights are concerned or not ?
439 passengers used the service on a Flybe 195 aircraft capped at 97 passengers
The first flight went out full according to the press launch of 97 passengers and obviously returned full , leaving 245 passengers for 7 flights ( out and back ) making a total of approximately 35 passengers per flight
Not sure if Lolo flights are concerned or not ?
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Looking at the Skiathos flight for July the figures don't make for good reading
439 passengers used the service on a Flybe 195 aircraft capped at 97 passengers
The first flight went out full according to the press launch of 97 passengers and obviously returned full , leaving 245 passengers for 7 flights ( out and back ) making a total of approximately 35 passengers per flight
Not sure if Lolo flights are concerned or not ?
439 passengers used the service on a Flybe 195 aircraft capped at 97 passengers
The first flight went out full according to the press launch of 97 passengers and obviously returned full , leaving 245 passengers for 7 flights ( out and back ) making a total of approximately 35 passengers per flight
Not sure if Lolo flights are concerned or not ?
I know for sure the first 3 weeks ex SOU were loads of 80,60 & 62!
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Re the JSI charters.
Hi there, why do you think the first inbound was almost full?
The first inbound flight back from JSI to SOU in July, I would imagine it would be almost empty -
This is known in the industry as an 'empty leg', and I gather seats were being sold one-way for £49 last minute, but I have no idea what the actual load was...
Likewise the last flight of the season out SOU to JSI in Sept or Oct will also be almost empty as there are no inbounds to sell...
Empty legs as you may know, are built into the cost of an IT charter seat over the whole season series - any sales of seats on these otherwise empty flights are usually counted as bonus cash.
Some tour operators nowadays can make good use of them as they can route their pax on Lo-co airlines by getting a cheap one way, and making another holiday package out of what was otherwise a dead seat that will not get sold.
Regards.
Re the JSI charters.
Hi there, why do you think the first inbound was almost full?
The first inbound flight back from JSI to SOU in July, I would imagine it would be almost empty -
This is known in the industry as an 'empty leg', and I gather seats were being sold one-way for £49 last minute, but I have no idea what the actual load was...
Likewise the last flight of the season out SOU to JSI in Sept or Oct will also be almost empty as there are no inbounds to sell...
Empty legs as you may know, are built into the cost of an IT charter seat over the whole season series - any sales of seats on these otherwise empty flights are usually counted as bonus cash.
Some tour operators nowadays can make good use of them as they can route their pax on Lo-co airlines by getting a cheap one way, and making another holiday package out of what was otherwise a dead seat that will not get sold.
Regards.
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Perhaps I didn't communicate that very well , it was the outbound flight on the 3 rd July that went out nearly full , the inbound flight that day had only 3 passengers on board as you rightly say
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If Thomas Cook, TUI or any well-known brand was to operate SOU-Skiathos i've no doubt it would be successful. The fact that Flylolo is struggling on such a route with such potential just shows you how bad the brand ''Flylolo'' is. Sorry to say - if anyone has actually heard of the brand when they get to the website they will soon be put off. It seems like a fly-by-night type of operation that could fold at any moment thus risky to part your cash with. This is how I as a customer feel when looking at their flights. I'm totally not surprised by their performance on this route but this is by no means a reflection on the Southampton market.
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https://www.independent.ie/business/...-37262067.html
Could this be the answer to FlyLolo's search for an aircraft to operate next summer?
Could this be the answer to FlyLolo's search for an aircraft to operate next summer?
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option 1 Embraer 195 from Stobart with payload restrictions as current Skiathos flights demonstrate
option 2 RJ85’s from city jet - no chance given range
option is Superjets from city jet - god knows what payload issues they have
all in all not ideal
i still think either a TUI 738 or Thomas Cook A320 based at the airport would be better the only issue would be utilisation given the night curfew. Then BOH looks more attractive.
option 2 RJ85’s from city jet - no chance given range
option is Superjets from city jet - god knows what payload issues they have
all in all not ideal
i still think either a TUI 738 or Thomas Cook A320 based at the airport would be better the only issue would be utilisation given the night curfew. Then BOH looks more attractive.
option 1 Embraer 195 from Stobart with payload restrictions as current Skiathos flights demonstrate
option 2 RJ85’s from city jet - no chance given range
option is Superjets from city jet - god knows what payload issues they have
all in all not ideal
i still think either a TUI 738 or Thomas Cook A320 based at the airport would be better the only issue would be utilisation given the night curfew. Then BOH looks more attractive.
option 2 RJ85’s from city jet - no chance given range
option is Superjets from city jet - god knows what payload issues they have
all in all not ideal
i still think either a TUI 738 or Thomas Cook A320 based at the airport would be better the only issue would be utilisation given the night curfew. Then BOH looks more attractive.
The 737-300/700 or A319 size at around 140 seats is still a hefty number to fill, but better that than a 189 seater 738 or 320 risk.
A 717 at around 115-120 pax is a great size, and has the range for most but it is a vanishing beast.
F70 or F100 is limited on range/payload.
Embraer 195 from Stobart? - these have seen a poor despatch reliability of late at SEN (noted on their thread and FB as two a/c often going Tech)