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Old 8th Mar 2018, 09:48
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Flybe's W18/19 schedule has been released and a quick look suggests that Easyjet will be back for another season as Flybe have dropped completely their Geneva route and Chambery reduced from 3 to 1 weekly. On this basis, we might even see EZY adding further to the route, maybe a Saturday?

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Old 8th Mar 2018, 10:17
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Geneva

It surely isn't good news FlyBe dropping Geneva - yes it maybe an enevitable consequence of the new reality but as both were running last this winter it isn't great news for SOU that FlyBe stop altogether for a Easy Swiss route that is less than a season long, a discounted season at that.
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 11:42
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For me this is actually a bit of a shame, assuming the Flybe schedule stays that way and they don't add flights in the future.
I'm as keen to see EZY expand and develop from SOU as anyone, but I do think it's unfortunate if Flybe pull off the Geneva route completely. Their flights to/from there have had good loads this season, and if they haven't made money from them (>80% full Dash 8s on a <90 minute flight at the weekends when demand is highest) then I don't know how they make their money!
From a consumer point of view going to one carrier on the route will mean less choice of flights and possibly higher prices owing to the lack of competition. Also less movements for the airport.
It'll be good if EZY do expand, but there's no indication that they will yet, and even if they do I'd have thought there could have been room for two carriers on this route, at least for another season to see how it all pans out.
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 12:14
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Easy jet release their Winter schedule in mid April so over another month before it comes clear what is happening with the Geneva route

Flybe are well known for dithering about with there routes and schedules , plenty of time to add or take away routes for next winter
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 12:20
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD View Post
Easy jet release their Winter schedule in mid April so over another month before it comes clear what is happening with the Geneva route

Flybe are well known for dithering about with there routes and schedules , plenty of time to add or take away routes for next winter
Fair point although its fun to speculate

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It can be seen as a result for SOU that a route has grown to a level where it attracts a major player. It is unfortunate that Flybe don't get a 'transfer fee'!
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 13:40
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Further to my post #388 I see that there is now a NOTAM delaying implementation of the 02 RNAV approaches until 2nd April.

Anyone know what's going on? For the IAP to appear in the AIP the procedures must have been approved by CAA, or were they approved subject to conditions that have as yet not been fulfilled by the airport operator?
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 14:20
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Understand that Lo lo flights are about to sign a contract within the next 3 weeks with an EU airline to offer the flights listed from Southampton to various destinations next year , they won't divulge who it is yet , but a bit of pushing gleamed the following information

Was told by Lolo its an ex KLM FK 70 aircraft with 80 seats and EU registered
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Understand that Lo lo flights are about to sign a contract within the next 3 weeks with an EU airline to offer the flights listed from Southampton to various destinations next year , they won't divulge who it is yet , but a bit of pushing gleamed the following information

Was told by Lolo its an ex KLM FK 70 aircraft with 80 seats and EU registered
TUS Airways is Cyprus based and has 4 Fokker 70s and 2 Fokker 100s in it's fleet. So could be them.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 15:06
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....or possibly Carpatair (Romania-based) although I think they currently have FK100's rather than FK70's.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 15:27
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Have to say I was not expecting that as an answer! But looking into it a little it does seem like a pretty wise choice.

The aircraft easily has enough range for all of the planned destinations, and the F70's decent runway performance should mean flying ex. SOU will a full load isn't too much of a concern (if anyone has some even vague figures they would be interesting to see).

From what I can see, the only issue will be the presumably high CASM of the aircraft compared to the usual 319/20 and 738's used by the loco's. Presumably the average fare will have to be relatively high (or not lolo...) to balance this out, although only having to sell 80 seats may aid this somewhat.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 16:49
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Geneva is on sale with Flybe for 2018 / 19

Same schedule as this year 2 x Sat and 1 x Sun
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 19:54
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....or possibly Carpatair (Romania-based) although I think they currently have FK100's rather than FK70's.
So itís not then...
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 19:56
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Geneva is on sale with Flybe for 2018 / 19

Same schedule as this year 2 x Sat and 1 x Sun
So lots of flapping from people who canít wait for the whole schedule to be released.
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 20:53
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S18 Summary

As usual, here is a breakdown of the coming summer. Looks to be a reduction in a number of areas compared to last year, so I wonder if passengers will remain above the 2m mark. From what I could see only Alicante, Dublin and Manchester have increased capacity compared to last year, plus the two new charter routes and KLM being all E175 this summer. There were actually more flights in the peak W17/18 season if my maths is reasonably accurate... Let me know of any errors and I'll update the post.

Aer Lingus Regional

Cork - 5 weekly AT7

Aurigny Air Services

Alderney - 20-29 weekly D28

Easyjet

Geneva - 3 weekly 319/20 (until 21/04)

Flybe - 6-7x Q400, 1x E95 based

Aberdeen - 8-10 weekly J41/S20 (Eastern via LBA)
Alicante - 6 weekly E95/Q400 (5x/1x)
Amsterdam - 23 weekly Q400
Avignon - 1-3 weekly Q400
Bastia - 1 weekly Q400
Belfast City - 20 weekly Q400
Bergerac - 7 weekly Q400
Biarritz - 1 weekly Q400
Bordeaux - 5 weekly Q400
Brest - 1 weekly Q400
Chambery - 2 weekly Q400 (until 15/04)
Dublin - 26 weekly Q400
Dusseldorf - 6 weekly Q400
Edinburgh - 26 weekly Q400
Faro - 3 weekly E95
Geneva - 3 weekly Q400 (until 15/04)
Glasgow - 30 weekly Q400
Guernsey - 29 weekly AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
Jersey - 25 weekly Q400/AT4/7 (Blue Islands)
La Rochelle - 3-4 weekly Q400
Leeds - 15 weekly J41/S20 (Eastern)
Limoges - 3-5 weekly Q400
Malaga - 4 weekly E95
Manchester - 37 weekly Q400/E75
Nantes - 4 weekly Q400
Newcastle - 18 weekly Q400
Palma - 2-3 weekly E95/Q400
Paris CDG - 12 weekly Q400
Perpignan - 1 weekly Q400
Rennes - 3 weekly Q400
Rodez - 3 weekly S20 (Eastern)
Toulon - 3 weekly Q400
Verona - 3 weekly Q400

KLM Cityhopper

Amsterdam - 7-12 weekly E75

Lolo Flights

Skiathos (New) - 1 weekly Flybe E95 (From 03/07)

Thomson

Ibiza - 1 weekly Volotea 712
Menorca (New) - 1 weekly Flybe Q400 (From 26/05)
Palma - 2 weekly Volotea 712/319


Summary

355-360 weekly departures (432-480 in S17)
315-316 weekly Flybe departures (inc. charters, 357-369 in S17)
40-44 weekly other departures (75-91 in S17)
51 daily departures (62-69 in S17)

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Old 9th Mar 2018, 21:09
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A bit of a dissapointing summary for SOU,it's seems just as the airport ups a gear then it takes two steps back!
Surely there's more potential from SOU then what is currently being offered?,or is it we are expecting o much from a relatively small regional?
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Old 9th Mar 2018, 22:22
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So it’s not then...
Carpatair website indicates that they have operated FK70's on ACMI also, so my previous post is perhaps not quite so winky, although will concede I could have explained it better

In response to adfly (great summary BTW) some of the reduction in total YoY Flybe sectors is probably accounted for by those positioning ops to EXT and EMA in S17 that one suspects carried very few pax.

It does seem like something of a retrenchment (esp. on continental routes) by BEE though :-(

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Old 10th Mar 2018, 07:49
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The F70 will not be payload restricted at SOU.
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 20:17
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2017 Full Year Stats

SOU 2017 Stats

Summarises passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2017, I have included all routes served on a scheduled/ charter basis.

UK

Aberdeen - 14,217 (+112%)
Alderney - 23,692 (+2%)
Belfast City - 118,840 (+1%)
East Midlands - 652 (New)
Edinburgh - 208,105 (+5%)
Exeter - 596 (New)
Glasgow - 197,769 (+10%)
Guernsey - 117,244 (-14%)
Jersey - 167,483 (+3%)
Leeds Bradford - 34,803 (-15%)
Manchester - 203,162 (+8%)
Newcastle - 130,256 (+7%)

Total UK - 1,216,819

Republic of Ireland

Cork - 24,119 (+47%)
Dublin - 140,752+(+6%)

Total Republic of Ireland - 164,871

France

Avignon - 6,114 (+34%)
Bastia - 2,141 (-7%)
Bergerac - 37,490 (+3%)
Biarritz - 5,416 (+40%)
Bordeaux - 13,937 (+195%)
Brest - 2,916 (-33%)
Chambery - 8,658 (-9%)
La Rochelle - 17,352 (+4%)
Limoges - 17,444 (+23%)
Lyon - 18,647 (+64%)
Nantes - 23,319 (-9%)
Paris CDG - 63,032 (+148%)
Paris Orly - 14,392 (-78%)
Perpignan - 2,326 (-17%)
Rennes - 15,588 (-18%)
Rodez - 851 (New)
Toulon - 9,024 (+99%)

Total France - 258,647

Netherlands

Amsterdam - 229,184 (+22%)

Germany

Dusseldorf - 30,342 (+3%)
Munich - 33,590 (+23%)

Total Germany - 63,934

Switzerland

Geneva - 8,402 (+38%)

Austria

Innsbruck - 786 (-51%)

Italy

Verona - 7,397 (+<1%)

Spain

Alicante - 34,813 (+3%)
Ibiza - 4,153 (New)
Palma - 29,195 (-30%)
Malaga - 30,652 (+31%)

Total Spain - 98,813

Portugal

Faro - 20,851 (+30%)

Finland

Entontekio - 752 (+10%)
Ivalo - 306 (+2%)

Total Finland - 1058


Total Overall - 2,069,910 (+6%) (Includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
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Originally Posted by adfly View Post
SOU 2017 Stats

Summarises passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2017, I have included all routes served on a scheduled/ charter basis.

UK

Aberdeen - 14,217 (+112%)
Alderney - 23,692 (+2%)
Belfast City - 118,840 (+1%)
East Midlands - 652 (New)
Edinburgh - 208,105 (+5%)
Exeter - 596 (New)
Glasgow - 197,769 (+10%)
Guernsey - 117,244 (-14%)
Jersey - 167,483 (+3%)
Leeds Bradford - 34,803 (-15%)
Manchester - 203,162 (+8%)
Newcastle - 130,256 (+7%)

Total UK - 1,216,819

Republic of Ireland

Cork - 24,119 (+47%)
Dublin - 140,752+(+6%)

Total Republic of Ireland - 164,871

France

Avignon - 6,114 (+34%)
Bastia - 2,141 (-7%)
Bergerac - 37,490 (+3%)
Biarritz - 5,416 (+40%)
Bordeaux - 13,937 (+195%)
Brest - 2,916 (-33%)
Chambery - 8,658 (-9%)
La Rochelle - 17,352 (+4%)
Limoges - 17,444 (+23%)
Lyon - 18,647 (+64%)
Nantes - 23,319 (-9%)
Paris CDG - 63,032 (+148%)
Paris Orly - 14,392 (-78%)
Perpignan - 2,326 (-17%)
Rennes - 15,588 (-18%)
Rodez - 851 (New)
Toulon - 9,024 (+99%)

Total France - 258,647

Netherlands

Amsterdam - 229,184 (+22%)

Germany

Dusseldorf - 30,342 (+3%)
Munich - 33,590 (+23%)

Total Germany - 63,934

Switzerland

Geneva - 8,402 (+38%)

Austria

Innsbruck - 786 (-51%)

Italy

Verona - 7,397 (+<1%)

Spain

Alicante - 34,813 (+3%)
Ibiza - 4,153 (New)
Palma - 29,195 (-30%)
Malaga - 30,652 (+31%)

Total Spain - 98,813

Portugal

Faro - 20,851 (+30%)

Finland

Entontekio - 752 (+10%)
Ivalo - 306 (+2%)

Total Finland - 1058


Total Overall - 2,069,910 (+6%) (Includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
A healthy increase on MUC route, yet BMI have pulled the plug, baffling!
A large decrease on PMI, why?
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