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[LiamNCL]

TUI timetable showing JTR on a Thursday afternoon and Agadir 2021 now. Still a spare slot for Monday PM from what i can see.

[VentureGo]

November passenger numbers are now posted on the Airport's website:

https://www.newcastleairport.com/abo...er-statistics/

Total Passengers for November is 304,487 compared to 306,293 for November 2018

Year to date Jan - Nov is 4,957,996 compared to last year Jan - November of 5,095,978 showing a drop of -137,982 passengers over this period.

December 2018 passenger total was 290,042, so depending on this year's December numbers, if similar trend continues showing approx. 20,000 fewer passengers per recent months, the year end is likely to be approx, -160,000 down on 2018 total.

- I wonder how did the airport attain nearly 5.7 million in 2007, which was , in the main, before Emirates service commenced in September of that year. I thought the Airport had grown in terms of number of routes and passenger volume. - Anyone got copy of Airport Timetables 2006 - 2008? - Will be interesting to see what routes / frequencies have been lost over the period since. From memory I think regular daily Braathens services to Oslo, Stavanger & Bergen; More frequencies from Thomson & Airtours to Orlando; Caledonian (CKT) to Goa, India (although I believe this was short lived) ... not sure of any other significant routes, other than possibly larger a/c and more frequent Sabena/SN to Brussels.

[Flightrider]

I can take you back to Summer 1999 ATUK:

Charter aircraft based were 1 x AIH A320, 1 x AMM 757, 1 x FCL 757, 2 x BY 757
Several W patterns from CKT, MON and a lot of away-based aircraft from Cronus, Translift, Onur, Istanbul Airlines, Futura, EuroCypria and Air Malta - most of the Translift, Cronus, Caledonian flying was to Greece.
There were four weekly Orlando charters - one Britannia 767, two Air 2000 767s and one Airtours 767, each positioning in and out for the job!
Air Transat YYZ is one loss on long-haul.

On short-haul, if you assume easyJet is a modern-day replacement for Brymon on Bristol and for Gill on Belfast International; Eurowings has replaced the Gill Dusseldorf service; AF and KL services have changed hands but broadly still there, the big changes are:
LGW CityFlyer ATR72 5 x daily gone
STN Air UK Fokker 50 3 x daily gone
BHX Maersk Air J41 4 x daily gone
OSL daily Braathens 737-500 gone
SVG 2 x daily Braathens 737-500 now one ERJs with Loganair
BRU 4 x daily Sabena Avro RJ85 now two ERJs with Loganair
BHD service gone (was Gill Air)
CPH service gone (was a Brymon Dash 8 that year)
LHR had 4 x BA 757s and 2 x A320s so more capacity than today

Quite a lot of big hits there in terms of route losses.

Before anyone gets too depressed, remember this was the year at TeesSide with a based Airtours A320, five British Midland 737s a day to Heathrow, Gill Air services to Paris, Manchester, Belfast and Aberdeen, an Airtours 767 to Orlando and lots of other charter stuff with Britannia, British Midland high density A321s, Spanair, Onur Air and more. You'd never believe it to look at it now....

[SWBKCB]

The loss of LGW and STN will be significant culprits.

[LiamNCL]

Looking forward from now to next decade surely it is now the job of those who source new routes to bring services like Air Transat back, Aircraft like the A321N and A321LR now coming online the aircraft is designed specifically for these types of thin routes. Newcastle was always connected to Canada way back to the Wardair 747 there isnt a reason why i cannot work again given the right type of Aircraft is now being added to airlines like Transat.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Newcastle locals, what’s the rationale for the door to Gates 1-14 being a *one way route?* The BA lounge is down there and my flight is delayed, possibly cancelled, app says vouchers offered but the only BA staff are in an area where you can’t get back to spend in the shops.
I know GLA used to have a similar issue when they stopped people coming back into the lounge from the old domestic pier, is it something to do with stopping arriving domestic passengers buying duty free? Archaic customs rule? Any idea?

[Falcon900LX]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Newcastle locals, what’s the rationale for the door to Gates 1-14 being a *one way route?* The BA lounge is down there and my flight is delayed, possibly cancelled, app says vouchers offered but the only BA staff are in an area where you can’t get back to spend in the shops.
I know GLA used to have a similar issue when they stopped people coming back into the lounge from the old domestic pier, is it something to do with stopping arriving domestic passengers buying duty free? Archaic customs rule? Any idea?

There’s a phone on the wall that the airport advise calling next to the door, one catering outlet should remain open until the last departure. However when I worked there I found myself frequently letting pax back through the door after checking boarding cards as they’d either came through too early, wanted to go back up to the departure area or went to the wrong gate which happened a lot.

Being a ‘domestic arrivals’ corridor, that door should remain closed as there shouldn’t be any international departing PAX mixing with the domestic arrival PAX. - which is the reason the EZY BFS arrivals sometimes are coached inbound when they depart INT. Plus it stops arriving passengers wandering back up into the terminal.
As mentioned before on here it’s actually a DFT rule not the airports.

Hopefully that answers things.

[apaul]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

The loss of LGW and STN will be significant culprits.

And much lower frequencies to Bristol and Belfast. In 2006 Newcastle had 1.78 million domestic passengers.

[SWBKCB]

CAA stats - biggest decreases between 2018 and 2007 (over 50k)

STANSTED -297,882
GATWICK -107,673
PARIS -89,996
MURCIA -70,738
PRAGUE -63,729
BRISTOL -57,274
SHARM EL SHEIKH -54,900
ROME (CIAMPINO) -53,772

Biggest increases

DUBAI 198,163
ALICANTE 114,157
ARRECIFE 89,333
TENERIFE 59,173
ANTALYA 50,491

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Falcon900LX

There’s a phone on the wall that the airport advise calling next to the door, one catering outlet should remain open until the last departure. However when I worked there I found myself frequently letting pax back through the door after checking boarding cards as they’d either came through too early, wanted to go back up to the departure area or went to the wrong gate which happened a lot.
Being a ‘domestic arrivals’ corridor, that door should remain closed as there shouldn’t be any international departing PAX mixing with the domestic arrival PAX. - which is the reason the EZY BFS arrivals sometimes are coached inbound when they depart INT. Plus it stops arriving passengers wandering back up into the terminal.
As mentioned before on here it’s actually a DFT rule not the airports.
Hopefully that answers things.

Except mixing domestic arrivals and international departing passengers happens every day at GLA and EDI to name but two, hence my question. Swissport said it was to prevent arriving domestic passengers buying Duty Free which is what I suspected, except they’re meant to scan your valid boarding card so who knows? Habit I suspect.
My flight ended up departing Gate 20 / Stand 11 so the whole BA Lounge had to reverse ferret all the way back. Thanks!

[JonnyH]

Originally Posted by LiamNCL

TUI timetable showing JTR on a Thursday afternoon and Agadir 2021 now. Still a spare slot for Monday PM from what i can see.

Chances of Cape Verde with DSA getting it?

[Falcon900LX]

So, our new operator LH... The inaugural flight from NCL is operated by an A319 as we know, however the first week of operations were supposed to be specifically A319, that looks like it's changed.
All days in Feb are operated by A319 equipment except:
4th, 18th, 26th - CRJ 900
11th - E195

Please note info provided is subject to change*
Regards.

[SWBKCB]

Except mixing domestic arrivals and international departing passengers happens every day at GLA and EDI to name but two

It may be allowable, but it's long been accepted as best practice that arriving and departing passengers should be kept seperate.

Chances of Cape Verde with DSA getting it?

Given that Agadir has been dropped again, I'd have thought remote.

[DanAir89]

Originally Posted by JonnyH

Chances of Cape Verde with DSA getting it?

Given the current events in the Middle East (and the impact that this may have on bookings to nearby countries) together with #boycottcyprus, location and reputation wise I’d have thought Cape Verde would have been a relatively safe choice and worth a try!

(stands by for tour operators know what they are doing to make a profit comments and “worth a try” isn’t a good business case for a route!)

[LiamNCL]

According to the TUI timetable website Santorini has moved to THU where Agadir was but the holiday website says all holidays to Santorini are gone ? The timetable shows a empty slot on Monday afternoon as a EDI based aircraft is operating the afternoon DLM on a W pattern and Saturday morning as SZG looks to have been palmed off to a 3rd party.

[10 DME ARC]

AGA - We booked AGA with Airtours Feb06 and like this flights cancelled days before start of season and we were just told flights now leave from Manchester! We could have asked for money back I guess, we got nothing in the way of compensation! We trundled down to Manchester with heavy hearts not expecting much but we had a cracking holiday, AGA with it's french influence it's a fab place!

[L66MBD]

I noticed an all white A321 yesterday morning but couldnt catch the reg, anyone know who's it is and what it's doing?

[LiamNCL]

Originally Posted by L66MBD

I noticed an all white A321 yesterday morning but couldnt catch the reg, anyone know who's it is and what it's doing?

SX-ABQ Been here since doing repat flights for Thomas Cook in September i believe it is in need of repair but nothing has happened since.

[Flightrider]

Looking forward from now to next decade surely it is now the job of those who source new routes to bring services like Air Transat back

It's the same story at NCL as at CWL, BHX, BFS, EXT, LBA which have all lost their Canada services in recent years. The expat links perhaps aren't quite as strong as links pass through future generations, but I think there is a more fundamental issue. Back in the day, you'd get on a BA LGW-NCL or LGW-MAN flight and find an Air Transat, Nationair, Odyssey, Worldways or Zoom crew positioning as part of a trip pattern to cover operations like NCL-YYZ. It's both inefficient use of crew and worse still, pretty difficult to achieve nowadays given the deterioration of UK domestic air services.

If this is to stand a chance of coming back, three or four airports (normally competitors) need to team up to put together a plan as to how Air Transat could use a 321LR all week and how the crew, maintenance and catering logistics could work with services to YYZ every day from different airports. If you are Air Transat, I don't doubt there are less complicated ways to make use of your aircraft and you don't need to go out looking for headaches like this. If a joined-up solution is provided by the airports working together, it might help to restore regional Toronto services. Otherwise, there isn't a hope.

[VickersVicount]

Originally Posted by Flightrider

If a joined-up solution is provided by the airports working together, it might help to restore regional Toronto services. Otherwise, there isn't a hope.

I really don't get how thats would work or be feasible. For TS, I don't think it matters whether they're in BHX, Monday and Nice or Rotterdam tuesday. Anyway with AC pulling the strings, TS will dwindle in regional routes not expand.