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Old 21st Sep 2019, 13:27
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
And what would the benefit be to Virgin (which is where the discussion started)? They've made it clear that their interest in short haul flights is to feed into their long haul network - and in an interview with Flight this week, only LHR and MAN were mentioned in connection in terms of feed and the flyBe deal
Skipness said there was 'no significant benefit' in a link to Gatwick, and used Manchester's lack of a link there (previously flown by BA, so he isn't just talking about Virgin) as an example. If there is 'no significant benefit' in a link to Gatwick, then presumably there isn't a benefit in one to Munich. Or Lyons, Zurich, or any of the other places that are on NIA's wish list.
Even regarding flybe or whatever they are called next year: we'll see what happens to our links to Southampton and Exeter. My bet is that they'll stay. If it's worth flying to Exeter, then it's worth going to Gatwick.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 15:27
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Originally Posted by jensdad View Post
Skipness said there was 'no significant benefit' in a link to Gatwick, and used Manchester's lack of a link there (previously flown by BA, so he isn't just talking about Virgin) as an example. If there is 'no significant benefit' in a link to Gatwick, then presumably there isn't a benefit in one to Munich. Or Lyons, Zurich, or any of the other places that are on NIA's wish list.
Even regarding flybe or whatever they are called next year: we'll see what happens to our links to Southampton and Exeter. My bet is that they'll stay. If it's worth flying to Exeter, then it's worth going to Gatwick.
The expense of a full fare BA route on an Airbus will be very different to a EXT on a DH8 with FlyBe...
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 18:39
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To be fair, that part of my post was preceded by the phrase 'even regarding flybe or whatever they are called next year'.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 10:45
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I seem to remember that one of the reasons given for the cancellation of the Gatwick route was the lack of originating passengers travelling in the reverse direction (Gatwick - NCL).
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 10:54
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I seem to remember that one of the reasons given for the cancellation of the Gatwick route was the lack of originating passengers travelling in the reverse direction (Gatwick - NCL).
Yes the 50% of the overall cost of operating which is often forgot. Sometimes overridden with a lucrative high fare/high cargo inbound, neither of which could be attributed to this route.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 15:57
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Originally Posted by Jamesair View Post
I seem to remember that one of the reasons given for the cancellation of the Gatwick route was the lack of originating passengers travelling in the reverse direction (Gatwick - NCL).
I'm pretty sure that could apply to most, if not all, routes operating out of Newcastle though? One of the most notable things when travelling through Newcastle is the massive preponderance of local accents in the departure lounge. Interesting question, this: is there a single route out of NCL that carries more 'outsiders' than locals?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 16:33
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I'm pretty sure that could apply to most, if not all, routes operating out of Newcastle though? One of the most notable things when travelling through Newcastle is the massive preponderance of local accents in the departure lounge. Interesting question, this: is there a single route out of NCL that carries more 'outsiders' than locals?
Probably say that about most regional airports, except some East European routes.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 17:33
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I was just going to say that the two most likely routes for other nationals are the two Polish ones operated by Ryanair with probably a good mix on Jet2's Krakow plus any service used by overseas students at the UNI
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:20
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Probably say that about most regional airports, except some East European routes.
Would be interesting to see a comparison between Newcastle and other UK airports. There are probably some stats buried on the CCA website somewhere for me to find if I get an idle hour or so...
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:20
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Originally Posted by Jamesair View Post
I was just going to say that the two most likely routes for other nationals are the two Polish ones operated by Ryanair with probably a good mix on Jet2's Krakow plus any service used by overseas students at the UNI
Yeah, I think Wroclaw is probably the best bet.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 09:05
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other nationals yes, but they're still NCL outbound passengers. i.e Polish people living in the UK and travelling home for a week/weekend to visit family, rather than inbound passengers coming to visit Newcastle and the North East.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 09:47
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Good point nighthawk117.............I did read that Dutch and German tourists make up a large percentage of visitors to the North East so maybe Amsterdam and Dusseldorf qualify for inbound passengers.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 09:51
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When it comes to Germans and Dutch visiting the region I wonder how the airport compares to the ferry?
The ferry would be better for tourists bringing their cars to tour round the area and use it as a gateway to Scotland as well.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 10:50
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-and to take back all they buy which would not go on a plane.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 12:45
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My experiences of flying to Amsterdam on KLM are that the majority of passengers are from this end. Not sure about Duesseldorf though.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 13:01
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Originally Posted by jensdad View Post
My experiences of flying to Amsterdam on KLM are that the majority of passengers are from this end. Not sure about Duesseldorf though.
I would say the same (also for LHR and CPH as well when we had it). I have done the DUS flight a few times, however the outbound times are not very business friendly for ex-UK pax but are OK for people originating in Germany (and those connecting in DUS). This might point to decent inbound traffic.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 16:48
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The sad demise of TCX leaves the airport with a loss of two based a/c operating 30 weekly flights planned for next summer. It will be interesting to see which operators move to fill the gaps. Jet 2 with a/c number 8, TUI with a 4th based a/c or EZY filling the gaps with its new package tour plans.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 16:52
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Originally Posted by Jamesair View Post
The sad demise of TCX leaves the airport with a loss of two based a/c operating 30 weekly flights planned for next summer. It will be interesting to see which operators move to fill the gaps. Jet 2 with a/c number 8, TUI with a 4th based a/c or EZY filling the gaps with its new package tour plans.
Intresting but the gaps will be plugged , I would like to say x1 TUI and whatever else.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 20:40
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TUI dont have any aircraft to be plugging gaps at all the TCX bases
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 21:44
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TUI dont have any aircraft to be plugging gaps at all the TCX bases
Sunwing plenty time for them and others to plan hopefully.
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