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Old 20th Jun 2019, 13:39
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Just seen this in the Chron.

Good idea for those that can make use of it.

“Twilight check-in is ideal for customers staying at a hotel or who live near the airport as it saves valuable time on the morning of their flightAll customers need to do is check in online at least 24 hours before their flight, then visit the twilight check-in where they can drop their bags at the Jet2.com check-in desks between 3pm and 8pm the night beforeThey can then arrive at the airport the following morning and head straight to security, bypassing check-in, giving them more time to sit back and relax before catching their Jet2.com flight."
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...check-16453058

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 13:40
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Originally Posted by skyman771 View Post

so ur saying what ? In context how many seats are LH to offer on an annual basis?
I am saying that there has not been a lot of traffic on this route in the recent past. It appears Hapag-Lloyd Express flew the route three times weekly in 2005 during the summer only. Interesting to note that they were taking only around 77 people per flight to and from MUC (HLX was also running NCL-CGN and NCL-HAJ as well). However HLX and LH are (were) two very different beasts.

If we go with 126 seats on a LH A319 x 6 days x 52 weeks x 2 trips a day then that makes over 78,000 seats a year.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 13:56
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Being from Munich and living in Newcastle I have obviously been hoping for this route to come for years.

Thinking about it over the last days, Lufthansa's decision seems absolutely sensible to me, especially when looking at the local connection networks. Lufthansa in Munich is - compared to Frankfurt - particularly strong towards Eastern Europe, an area that is not well served from Newcastle compared to other UK airports.

This is also one of SkyTeam's weaknesses at the same time, as they have no major presence in Eastern Europe outside the capital cities. Flight times for the Lufthansa service are also well-aligned with some of Lufthansa's Asia flights in Munich creating additional travel opportunities.

There is no point for LH to fly against AF/KL to the US or Western Europe as 7 flights per day can never be offered, but considering the factors above I can see this route lasting - especially given that there will be both, local and connecting traffic. Berlin and Madrid, on the other hand, were for example purely based on O&D demand and therefore did not last.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 14:03
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This service isn't going to survive on those skiers that prefer MUC to GVA
Nobodies suggested that it will, but it will add to the mix required to support the service

I am saying that there has not been a lot of traffic on this route in the recent past.
Not sure what your point is? This seems to be an argument for never starting a route that hasn't been operated before.

Lufthansa have been operating from the UK regions for a while, maybe give them the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 14:50
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Nobodies suggested that it will, but it will add to the mix required to support the service

Not sure what your point is? This seems to be an argument for never starting a route that hasn't been operated before.

Lufthansa have been operating from the UK regions for a while, maybe give them the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing?
My point is that there are a lot of people on the forum who talk about this being a returning route beforehand but the recent evidence is that apart from one summer, it hasn't been served for over 30 years.

I am fully supportive of the route, I am flying back to the North East from MUC next Wednesday via AMS so I will definitely be one that uses it in future.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 19:46
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Munich is rapidly becoming a major hub for Lufthansa which makes it perfect for Star Alliance passengers. My only comment, otherwise is, why they haven't started the service earlier, missing out on the Octoberfest and the Christmas Markets.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:42
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Munich only competes with Geneva in the sense that Paphos competes with Fuerteventura. Similar type of destination, but nobody is going to use either GVA or MUC to get to the same ski-resort. 'The Alps' is a big place. And as has been pointed out, the main focus of this route isn't O&D.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:49
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Originally Posted by jensdad View Post
Munich only competes with Geneva in the sense that Paphos competes with Fuerteventura. Similar type of destination, but nobody is going to use either GVA or MUC to get to the same ski-resort. 'The Alps' is a big place. And as has been pointed out, the main focus of this route isn't O&D.
No, but I would be more likely to pick a ski resort that is served by MUC.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:00
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No, but I would be more likely to pick a ski resort that is served by MUC.
So what is your point ? are you saying that you would select a ski resort based on airport preference ? you would probably be in a minority.
If on the other hand you are simply saying that you feel that MUC serves ski resorts that are suited to your own requirements then accepted, but hardly relevant ?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 10:05
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Hardly relevant??? What a strange comment.

It could be have a big impact on NCL numbers.
There are ski resorts all over the alps and many people would love to get away from GVA. The nearest competition to MUC is Salzburg.

The group I went skiing with picked a different resort every time and the chance to use MUC would have had a big bearing on our choice of resort.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:49
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MUC

Itís a great little win for the airport, goes a long way to proving to me they arenít just interested in the bucket and spade brigade.

If any Star Alliance airline/route is going to work Iíd say Lufthansa to Munich probably has the best bet. As has already been said opens up onward connections to Central Europe / Asia etc. Will no doubt attract some decent business traffic whoíll hopefully build the frequent flyer basis that would allow the airport to expand with other Star Alliance carriers (which is one of the reasons UA didnít work) and also more so than FRA would have given us, opens up a market for city breaks and Ski resorts.

If this doesnít work we can stop hoping for new scheduled airlines and go back to wondering where Jet2 will send the aircraft they have sitting around on Wednesday afternoon.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by skyman771 View Post
So what is your point ? are you saying that you would select a ski resort based on airport preference ? you would probably be in a minority.
If on the other hand you are simply saying that you feel that MUC serves ski resorts that are suited to your own requirements then accepted, but hardly relevant ?
What might be relevant is the fact that the UK ski tour operators have reported that, for the first time in about 35 years, Austria has ovetaken France as the most favoured country for UK based snowsports participants. LH's offer for skiers/boarders is particularly attractive because skis/boards go free unlike the Easy's, Jet 2's, BA and the charter flights.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:32
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Munich connections, what extra will Lufthansa provide that KLM, BA, Air France and Emirates doesn't.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:36
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Munich connections, what extra will Lufthansa provide that KLM, BA, Air France and Emirates doesn't.
Lufthansa is stronger in Eastern Europe destination wise.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:53
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Munich connections, what extra will Lufthansa provide that KLM, BA, Air France and Emirates doesn't.
A 5 Star airline
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:03
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Munich connections, what extra will Lufthansa provide that KLM, BA, Air France and Emirates doesn't.
More choice, more competition and access to a different alliance.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:03
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It will also make a huge difference if you are a points holder with Star Alliance especially with Lufthansa being the only member airline to operate out of NCL.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:30
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TUI SUMMER 2020

Flights to Palma have been increased to 4 weekly (from 3)
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:21
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TUI SUMMER 2020

Flights to Palma have been increased to 4 weekly (from 3)
I had NCL-PMI as 5 weekly in peak summer 2019... can anyone confirm?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 22:35
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I had NCL-PMI as 5 weekly in peak summer 2019... can anyone confirm?
Bookable 5 times per week Aug and Sept 20
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