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Old 18th May 2018, 12:49
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As you, and others have suggested, it's to discourage passengers from booking NCL-AMS in business.

The last thing the airline wants is to miss out on a £4k sale from someone flying NCL-AMS-JFK because they sold the last NCL-AMS business class seat for £200. Anyone looking to spend that kind of money might not be too happy about being dumped into economy on the NCL-AMS leg.

Far better to keep the business class relatively empty and try and win over some higher value connecting business passengers.
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117
As you, and others have suggested, it's to discourage passengers from booking NCL-AMS in business.

The last thing the airline wants is to miss out on a £4k sale from someone flying NCL-AMS-JFK because they sold the last NCL-AMS business class seat for £200. Anyone looking to spend that kind of money might not be too happy about being dumped into economy on the NCL-AMS leg.

Far better to keep the business class relatively empty and try and win over some higher value connecting business passengers.
Seems like a good explanation.
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Old 20th May 2018, 10:29
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https://www.newcastleairport.com/passengerstatistics

April figures now published on Airport's website show -1896 down on April last year (407,599 [April '17] vs 405,703 [April 2018])

Domestic Passengers +2,818
Inclusive Tour Passengers +4,698
Scheduled International Passengers - 9,501
Other + 89

Not sure why Scheduled International passengers should be Down so much - Capacity hasn't seemed to drop significantly. Are loads down? or maybe figures from Airport are wrong?

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Originally Posted by VentureGo
https://www.newcastleairport.com/passengerstatistics

April figures now published on Airport's website show -1896 down on April last year (407,599 [April '17] vs 405,703 [April 2018])

Domestic Passengers +2,818
Inclusive Tour Passengers +4,698
Scheduled International Passengers - 9,501
Other + 89

Not sure why Scheduled International passengers should be Down so much - Capacity hasn't seemed to drop significantly. Are loads down? or maybe figures from Airport are wrong?
Less DUB, lots of CDG cancellations, no CPH, any others?
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Old 20th May 2018, 15:20
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Also possibly connected to the timing of Easter...2017 fell in the second week of April...2018 end of March/April.
AMS 4 x daily (5 last year)
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Old 20th May 2018, 16:26
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Apparently EK past few weeks loads haven't been as good.
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Old 20th May 2018, 16:51
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Originally Posted by Beatts
Apparently EK past few weeks loads haven't been as good.
May is usually the quietest month of the year for EK anyway, across the UK as a whole
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In May 2017 the Dubai pax figure was 14,924
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NCL doing pretty well.
Average delay in minutes, worst at the top.

Luton - 19.7 minutes

Gatwick - 18.9 minutes

Jersey - 18.7 minutes

Durham Tees Valley - 18.6 minutes

Birmingham - 18.2 minutes

Bristol - 17.6 minutes

Belfast International - 16.7 minutes

Manchester - 16.7 minutes

Stansted - 16.7 minutes

Aberdeen - 16.1 minutes

Edinburgh - 15.8 minutes

Cardiff - 15.7 minutes

Glasgow - 15.0 minutes

Doncaster Sheffield - 14.3 minutes

Liverpool - 14.0 minutes

London Southend - 13.5 minutes

Southampton - 13.5 minutes

East Midlands International - 13.3 minutes

Newcastle - 12.8 minutes

Bournemouth - 12.3 minutes

Exeter - 11.9 minutes

London City - 11.6 minutes

Belfast City - 11.3 minutes

Leeds Bradford - 11.3 minutes

Heathrow - 11.0 minutes
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Reasonably big cuts on weekly BA LHR flight totals for NCL W18
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
Reasonably big cuts on weekly BA LHR flight totals for NCL W18
Care to expand on this? Pretty much looks like 6 a day during the week to me.
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Old 22nd May 2018, 20:18
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NCL-LHR reduces from 41 weekly flights to 34. That may be the same as last winter though?
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Originally Posted by GrahamK
NCL-LHR reduces from 41 weekly flights to 34. That may be the same as last winter though?
Do you have a source for this or some dates? Spot checking on ba.com, I can consistently see 40/41 flights a week.
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The schedules are being amended now!. It looks like the 12 noon ish flight to LHR is going and the second one up from LHR arriving about 11 ish are going each day.

I understand the noon flight to LHR to be one of the busiest of the day mainly for connections ??.

So approx Six hrs gap between flights to LHR. 9 am ish to about 3 pm! dont know exact times.

Also if you fly into LHR early morning and you cant make the 7.25 ish departure to NCL you have to wait to about 2 pm for the next one. Not good especially if its Longhaul inbound.

Many years since the service was down to 5 per day for an entire season.

They are using the slots to increase frequency from LHR to other places in Europe and Worldwide . I think domestics LHR-ABZ is also affected. But not LHR-MAN, EDI or GLA.

So thats a reduction on the 2 most busy routes out of NCL----------LHR and AMS!
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Which flight has been dropped to AMS?
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Well with any luck it'll just prop up other airlines out of NCL, like EK in particular. AF could do with a little propping as well I think. With this, and the loss of viable connections through DUB with EI, it would seem like a prime opportunity for LH to jump in with a FRA service, most likely on BM metal. Surely we could fill 98 seats PDEW on a E145, x13 weekly, expecially since we're losing something in the order of 450 PDEW to LHR/AMS

We shall see..
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Originally Posted by EK77WNCL
Well with any luck it'll just prop up other airlines out of NCL, like EK in particular. AF could do with a little propping as well I think. With this, and the loss of viable connections through DUB with EI, it would seem like a prime opportunity for LH to jump in with a FRA service, most likely on BM metal. Surely we could fill 98 seats PDEW on a E145, x13 weekly, expecially since we're losing something in the order of 450 PDEW to LHR/AMS

We shall see..

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ABZ has a drop, GLA has only lost 2 services per week (with some A319's replaced by A320's). Capacity change likely to be negligable. Lots of these off peak 'shuttles' run far from full. People do look for frequency however.
Most of the domestic 763 ops will be going too (they definitely rarely ran full).
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Originally Posted by fl dutchman
NCL-LHR
The schedules are being amended now!. It looks like the 12 noon ish flight to LHR is going and the second one up from LHR arriving about 11 ish are going each day.

I understand the noon flight to LHR to be one of the busiest of the day mainly for connections ??.

So approx Six hrs gap between flights to LHR. 9 am ish to about 3 pm! dont know exact times.

Also if you fly into LHR early morning and you cant make the 7.25 ish departure to NCL you have to wait to about 2 pm for the next one. Not good especially if its Longhaul inbound.

Many years since the service was down to 5 per day for an entire season.

They are using the slots to increase frequency from LHR to other places in Europe and Worldwide . I think domestics LHR-ABZ is also affected. But not LHR-MAN, EDI or GLA.

So thats a reduction on the 2 most busy routes out of NCL----------LHR and AMS!
The flight times for Winter with BA from NCL-LHR are

BA1321 - 7.55
BA1325 - 9.35
BA1327- 12:05
BA1335 - 17:30
BA1337 - 19:35

The LHR to NCL timings are:

07:35
09:45
15:05
17:30
19:45

The flights from Newcastle are fairly spaced out, from Heathrow there is a 5 hour gap which isnít ideal.

Is KLM increasing to 5 a day again in the summer or has it gone to 4 per day year round?
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Old 23rd May 2018, 19:19
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LHR NCL.
Thanks Ph1l1pncl.
Thanks. Yes I got the new times wrong, the noon flight from NCL and the 9.45 from LHR are obviously still flying thankfully. I looked at it the wrong way round. However 5 hrs between flights is not good.
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