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To follow up on AirportPlanner's comment, it looks like SEN will see 11 departures in the week beginning Mon 05 Oct - 2 for Wizz, 9 for Ryanair and 0 for FlyOne/Wideroe
Wed, Thu and Sat will not see any departures. One begins to wonder if opening the terminal building on these 3 days is worthwhile
Wed, Thu and Sat will not see any departures. One begins to wonder if opening the terminal building on these 3 days is worthwhile
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That "obnoxious and outspoken customer" exists at many airports or "pubs" as the post laughingly refers to throughout UK/Europe so why is it thought then that SEN should be deprived of any future business that may possibly become available to save certainly jobs & perhaps it`s commercial future as related previously.
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For all the "enthusiasts" here perhaps rather than use scattergun allusions the poster would use his self proclaimed superiority in matters business to hazard a view as to how long a business (Stobart in this instance) will last with little or no customers please.
"Cheapskates"...priceless! I would hazard a guess RYR are more successful at what they do than the posters alleged business.
"Cheapskates"...priceless! I would hazard a guess RYR are more successful at what they do than the posters alleged business.
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The Chancellor has just announced a six month scheme allowing employers to pay their staff a minimum of one third of their salary (for working one third of their contracted hours). The Government will pay the balance of the salary.
A real opportunity for the airport to retain enough staff to keep functioning through the winter.
A real opportunity for the airport to retain enough staff to keep functioning through the winter.
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But NO sector targeting which ultimately is the more important.
The UK is now to face "permanent adjustments" to quote Mr Sunak.
To attempt to read that code at the moment may be difficult but is certainly not good news.
The UK is now to face "permanent adjustments" to quote Mr Sunak.
To attempt to read that code at the moment may be difficult but is certainly not good news.
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British Airways received £300 million pounds from the UK government Covid Corporate Financing Facility
Hungarian Wizz got a further £300m despite a massive cash balance of around 1.5billion Euros
Ryanair got £600m despite having a cash balance of £4bn while the Irish government refused help including financial help to Aer Lingus
Easyjet received £600m.
Maybe the government should be supporting loss making airports rather than cash rich airlines?
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Old news but soon forgotten:
British Airways revived 300 million pounds from the UK government Covid Corporate Financing Facility
Hungarian Wizz got a further £300m despite a massive cash balance of around 1.5billion Euros
Ryanair got £600m despite having a cash balance of £4bn while the Irish government refused help including financial help to Aer Lingus
Easyjet received £600m.
Maybe the government should be supporting loss making airports rather than cash rich airlines?
British Airways revived 300 million pounds from the UK government Covid Corporate Financing Facility
Hungarian Wizz got a further £300m despite a massive cash balance of around 1.5billion Euros
Ryanair got £600m despite having a cash balance of £4bn while the Irish government refused help including financial help to Aer Lingus
Easyjet received £600m.
Maybe the government should be supporting loss making airports rather than cash rich airlines?
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I am guessing but I assume £20m pointed in the direction of SEN will be more beneficial than £600m being handed over to Ryanair that doesn’t need any money. Meanwhile MOL takes great delight in criticising not only the UK government but also the Irish government and no doubt any government that has introduced quarantine requirements.
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Hmmm give the airports money and not the airlines? So the airlines fail and the airports thrive with no operations. Airlines are not cash rich - that’s a myth. Reality is both parts of the equation require equal financial support, not one more than another.
SEN - or any other airport - will have to be very persuasive if it wants to get its hands on Govt cash
If the company owning / operating an airport goes bankrupt, the physical infrastructure stays in place. Even airports like Blackpool, Manston and Plymouth, remain in place but largely mothballed and, if demand were to rise, could be made usable again without enormous expenditure. Yes, things like landing systems will need work - but if air travel demand returns, then some company will likely emerge to buy the airport site, or a lease on it, and get the airport going again. It is very unlikely that a council with a potentially viable airport in its area that could boost the local economy would grant permission for the airport to be closed permanently and completely covered in housing
If Stobart went bust.... would you really expect SEN to become a huge housing estate ?
If the company owning / operating an airport goes bankrupt, the physical infrastructure stays in place. Even airports like Blackpool, Manston and Plymouth, remain in place but largely mothballed and, if demand were to rise, could be made usable again without enormous expenditure. Yes, things like landing systems will need work - but if air travel demand returns, then some company will likely emerge to buy the airport site, or a lease on it, and get the airport going again. It is very unlikely that a council with a potentially viable airport in its area that could boost the local economy would grant permission for the airport to be closed permanently and completely covered in housing
If Stobart went bust.... would you really expect SEN to become a huge housing estate ?
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No different than airlines failing. The same directors will just form new airlines when there is an upturn. How many U.K. airlines are there now? How many has there been in the last 50 years? Failure rate I am guessing is around 95% so why should the government hand over money to a business with such a shocking track record?
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In the "good times" much passes without too much scrutiny by most except those "concocting the deals".
When the bad times arrive & in the case of COVID a veritable calamity the horlicks of entanglement starts to becomes more & more evident in these airport sites owned by Council but leased out to take them off their hands & books for a Century or so with oh so many promises.(LTN & SEN spring to mind.)
Roosting chickens is a scenario.Sure that Southend Corporation is poring long & hard over what they themselves are signed up for.
When the bad times arrive & in the case of COVID a veritable calamity the horlicks of entanglement starts to becomes more & more evident in these airport sites owned by Council but leased out to take them off their hands & books for a Century or so with oh so many promises.(LTN & SEN spring to mind.)
Roosting chickens is a scenario.Sure that Southend Corporation is poring long & hard over what they themselves are signed up for.
Even airports like Blackpool, Manston and Plymouth, remain in place but largely mothballed and, if demand were to rise, could be made usable again without enormous expenditure
It has been said that the UK has too many airports. If that's the case, why preserve a glut?
On the other hand, the number of UK airlines has collapsed in recent years. Yes, new ones can be formed, but the current competitive environment makes the emergence of successful new operators very difficult and unlikely.
On the other hand, the number of UK airlines has collapsed in recent years. Yes, new ones can be formed, but the current competitive environment makes the emergence of successful new operators very difficult and unlikely.
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Blackpool terminal was knocked down to save money, hours were reduced as was the fire cover and bought by Blackpool Council for £4m after selling it for £13m years before.
There wasn’t a glut this time last year around London. Now all of the London’s flights could be channeled through one airport.
It has been said that the UK has too many airports. If that's the case, why preserve a glut?
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There wasn’t a glut this time last year around London. Now all of London’s flights could be channelled through one airport.
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No reason to disagree with you or I wish to take issue with the fact that right now LTN is bucking the trend - relatively - and enjoying some success in the dreadful circumstances we find ourselves in (thank you Ms Collins). I just would like to point out that this is the Southend 2 thread.
