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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 19:33
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Reported elsewhere that 25 easyJets to be parked up at SEN over the winter. Does this reinstate our ‘base’ status I wonder.
I saw one fly over yesterday. It did make me wonder if the base closure is ‘temporary’ to save on staffing costs in what will be a savage winter, and possibly summer ‘21 too. And that it will be reinstated when/if things pick up. I appreciate its only parking but clearly there is still a relationship, the aircraft could have gone anywhere.
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 19:45
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EZY appeared to have the exactly the same arrangement at STN previously.

Most probably a commercial arrangement with SEN making use of empty ramp space to further any income available to it.
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 19:48
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British Airways were parking part of their long haul and short haul fleet at Bournemouth. I am not expecting flights to New York any time soon.
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 21:49
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British Airways were parking part of their long haul and short haul fleet at Bournemouth. I am not expecting flights to New York any time soon.
With respect that’s a completely different set of circumstances which I’m sure you know only too well
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 04:48
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I would be delighted to see Easyjet return sooner rather than later or more likely never return.

In 2009 Easyjet closed their 3 aircraft East Midland base making 120 staff redundant. 11 years later the airport is still waiting for easyJet’s return.

It is not all bad news as Ryanair has got its foot in the door at Southend. It would just take an announcement from the airline next year or the year after of their intention to expand their Southend base and the airport could be transformed overnight.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 05:34
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Perhaps the difference between BAW & EZY parking could be explained.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 08:33
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I would be delighted to see Easyjet return sooner rather than later or more likely never return.

In 2009 Easyjet closed their 3 aircraft East Midland base making 120 staff redundant. 11 years later the airport is still waiting for easyJet’s return.

It is not all bad news as Ryanair has got its foot in the door at Southend. It would just take an announcement from the airline next year or the year after of their intention to expand their Southend base and the airport could be transformed overnight.
There is only so much RYR can operate out of SEN because of their choice to operate stretched B737's ... And any airport would be a better class of place without RYR present!
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 09:00
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But perhaps without the employment of course!
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 09:03
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Originally Posted by OC37
There is only so much RYR can operate out of SEN because of their choice to operate stretched B737's ... And any airport would be a better class of place without RYR present!
What's the point of having an upper class airport with no traffic??!!
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 12:14
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
Perhaps the difference between BAW & EZY parking could be explained.
I heard EZY were offered a parking deal they could not refuse, better for their cash flow but not Stobart. A least the relationship carrys on and maybe come better days they will return with a proper base again.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 12:29
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking
What's the point of having an upper class airport with no traffic??!!
What's the point of having RYR lowering the tone of the place?
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 13:17
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Originally Posted by OC37
What's the point of having RYR lowering the tone of the place?
RYR is better than nothing !
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 15:08
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Originally Posted by TOM100
RYR is better than nothing !
A personal opinion, a personal opinion
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 15:14
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Quote...
"What`s the point of having RYR lowering the tone of the place? smiley face".........Classic.

Put that perhaps to the 94 Stobart Aviation employees at SEN due to lose their jobs shortly.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 15:22
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An airport with some pax is not a personal opinion it’s a business reality - an airport with no pax is not a business
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 15:37
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An airport with 3 departures and 3 arrivals meaning the terminal has to open at 4am for a 6:30 departure and remain open until midnight for a 23:30 arrival could also be described as not a business. I noticed those timings the other day.

Three shifts of staff required to handle one set of flights each is not a good outcome.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 15:47
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Originally Posted by LTNman
An airport with 3 departures and 3 arrivals meaning the terminal has to open at 4am for a 6:30 departure and remain open until midnight for a 23:30 arrival could also be described as not a business. I noticed those timings the other day.

Three shifts of staff required to handle one set of flights each is not a good outcome.
Not a viable one anyway.......
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 15:53
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Originally Posted by OC37
What's the point of having RYR lowering the tone of the place?
'Tone' does not pay the bills, employ people or provide a viable business. You seem to have no commercial awareness, sadly.
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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 16:18
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Southend is starting to remind me of Blackpool when they kicked out Jet2 to save money. The nuclear option? At some point all options will have to be considered to stem losses.

How Jet2 thought they had won a court battle

https://www.jet2.com/News/Jet2_com_H..._in_Blackpool/

Their victory did not last long as the airport was closed to get rid of them and then reopened.

Blackpool Airport management claimed late night and early morning operations by Jet2 were costly and unsustainable – forcing the airfield to operate at a loss.
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/n...ckpool-1200271

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Old 23rd Sep 2020, 22:11
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Three shifts of staff required to handle one set of flights each is not a good outcome.
This isn’t so different to the winters of not so long ago, and the airport seemed to manage OK. There might be a single ATR leaving early with another couple later in the day and an easyjet to AMS and back mid-afternoon. Granted this is summer season still, but everyone is hurting at relative scales and the challenges faced at Southend are no different to those at many other smaller airports.

Passenger numbers are very low though. Dummy bookings for tomorrow show 55 reserved/checked in for Malaga, 9(!) for Palma, 64 to Faro and Vilnius it won’t let you book. That is of course assuming all turn up which is unlikely.

I also see there has been a further cull of flights after this week, next week until at least Half Term will see very few weekly flights.
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