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It has certainly taken the gloss off from the start of the day. Plenty of potential new routes from Southend and now we have two players announcing the same new routes on the same day. In the short term it will be great for SEN with passengers chasing £10 fares but the party won’t last long. For Stobart their mission will be to keep Wizz at the airport with Ryanair trying to force them out. Deepest pockets comes to mind and Ryanair has the deepest pockets.
As for Ryanair they have no commitment to any airport apart from a few big players so forcing Wizz to leave means no long term commitment to Southend.
As for Ryanair they have no commitment to any airport apart from a few big players so forcing Wizz to leave means no long term commitment to Southend.
But previously you spoke of the battle for CPH. We are not talking about Denmark. We are talking about Wizz's back yard. Doesn't that give them an edge here?
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I agree completely, Wizz does have an edge.
Wizz is an ultra low cost carrier and a giant in Eastern Europe. I'd like to be persuaded that Ryanair is ULCC too, but I'm not. Ryanair have scale and resources to wage a long war against Wizz as they've done in Cork and Belfast. But London is completely different to those destinations, there is serious volume in the London market.
Besides, Wizz have shown their intent on entering Edinburgh. Let's look around; Lufthansa have publically said that they are not allowing Ryanair to squeeze them off any route in a predatory style attack, and airlines will increasingly recognise that if they can, they should hold tight, Ryanair back off when losses are significant enough.
The new leader at easyJet recognises this and they've held firm in the face of Ryanair at Belfast and in many UK airports are larger than Ryanair.
Ryanair now have a very new outlook, much reduced growth on the back of the Max issue, disasterous dip in relations with unions and the usual need to deliver shareholder value. I sense that the European industry will stand firm against Ryanair threat especially in light of their current challenges. Germany is a great example...
Good luck Wizz and great news for SEN, such a great little airport to use!
Wizz is an ultra low cost carrier and a giant in Eastern Europe. I'd like to be persuaded that Ryanair is ULCC too, but I'm not. Ryanair have scale and resources to wage a long war against Wizz as they've done in Cork and Belfast. But London is completely different to those destinations, there is serious volume in the London market.
Besides, Wizz have shown their intent on entering Edinburgh. Let's look around; Lufthansa have publically said that they are not allowing Ryanair to squeeze them off any route in a predatory style attack, and airlines will increasingly recognise that if they can, they should hold tight, Ryanair back off when losses are significant enough.
The new leader at easyJet recognises this and they've held firm in the face of Ryanair at Belfast and in many UK airports are larger than Ryanair.
Ryanair now have a very new outlook, much reduced growth on the back of the Max issue, disasterous dip in relations with unions and the usual need to deliver shareholder value. I sense that the European industry will stand firm against Ryanair threat especially in light of their current challenges. Germany is a great example...
Good luck Wizz and great news for SEN, such a great little airport to use!
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I have to laugh, Ryanair was the airline that stated it would withdraw all UK EU flights if those stupid Brits voted to leave the EU yet it continues to open up new UK routes post Brexit.
Going back to Southend and the battle of Wizz and Ryanair. This is just a stupid move that will act against the interests of the airport. If Wizz withdraw the routes after loosing money they might well pull out of Southend rather than trying other routes in the knowledge that Ryanair could launch spoiler routes as well.
Southend serves next to nowhere and now we have this when there was enough cake to keep everyone happy. No doubt the bum counters here will be shouting about high passenger figures in the coming months and then will be surprised when it all ends in tears.
Going back to Southend and the battle of Wizz and Ryanair. This is just a stupid move that will act against the interests of the airport. If Wizz withdraw the routes after loosing money they might well pull out of Southend rather than trying other routes in the knowledge that Ryanair could launch spoiler routes as well.
Southend serves next to nowhere and now we have this when there was enough cake to keep everyone happy. No doubt the bum counters here will be shouting about high passenger figures in the coming months and then will be surprised when it all ends in tears.
I have to laugh.
Southend serves next to nowhere and now we have this when there was enough cake to keep everyone happy. No doubt the bum counters here will be shouting about high passenger figures in the coming months and then will be surprised when it all ends in tears.
Southend serves next to nowhere and now we have this when there was enough cake to keep everyone happy. No doubt the bum counters here will be shouting about high passenger figures in the coming months and then will be surprised when it all ends in tears.
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"Southend serves next to nowhere" Good ol' LTNman, thankyou for your usual considered and unbiased critique.
I have to laugh, Ryanair was the airline that stated it would withdraw all UK EU flights if those stupid Brits voted to leave the EU yet it continues to open up new UK routes post Brexit.
Going back to Southend and the battle of Wizz and Ryanair. This is just a stupid move that will act against the interests of the airport. If Wizz withdraw the routes after loosing money they might well pull out of Southend rather than trying other routes in the knowledge that Ryanair could launch spoiler routes as well.
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Southend serves next to nowhere and now we have this when there was enough cake to keep everyone happy. No doubt the bum counters here will be shouting about high passenger figures in the coming months and then will be surprised when it all ends in tears.
[/QUOTEGoing back to Southend and the battle of Wizz and Ryanair. This is just a stupid move that will act against the interests of the airport. If Wizz withdraw the routes after loosing money they might well pull out of Southend rather than trying other routes in the knowledge that Ryanair could launch spoiler routes as well.
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Southend serves next to nowhere and now we have this when there was enough cake to keep everyone happy. No doubt the bum counters here will be shouting about high passenger figures in the coming months and then will be surprised when it all ends in tears.
"Southend serves next to nowhere" Good ol' LTNman, thankyou for your usual considered and unbiased critique.
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I wasn't meant to be sounding disingenuous but even you will agree that there are many untapped routes out there to keep everyone happy. Wizz should have been the start of long association with SEN that is now already in doubt after only 24 hours hours. Ryanair friend or foe to SEN as it tries to restrict big boy airlines? Still trying to work that out for the long term although for now it is clearly a friend with its new routes and services.
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Well i for one would like to congratulate Stobart in getting Wizz Air to operate into SEN, they apparently have been after them for quite a long while and some people thought it would not happen, although they said the same about Ryanair and indeed Easyjet as well. Its a shame that Ryanair have stepped in straight away on two of their routes and somewhat spoiled the party, lets hope that this wont mean that it will be a short stay at SEN for Wizz Air or put them off from opening any further routes into SEN. I feel that Easyjet who have been at SEN for over 8 years now have not exploited the full potential of their SEN base and should in my humble opinion have expanded with more routes and based aircraft. It will be very interesting to see probably next month, when the summer 2020 schedules are released if EZY and FR add any new routes from SEN.
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These are not low frequencies either, pretty significant... If they can pull this off and make a long-term success out of inbound eastern european markets then it finally shows the airport is being used as designed - as an alternative London airport. That 10mppa no longer looks like pie in the sky. Stansted should be concerned as it will slow their growth rate for sure (and by that I mean Ryanair at STN).
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Derry Journal Newspaper in N.Ireland reporting new City of Derry Airport to Southend route.
https://www.derryjournal.com/news/tr...-off-1-9045668
https://www.derryjournal.com/news/tr...-off-1-9045668
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These are not low frequencies either, pretty significant... If they can pull this off and make a long-term success out of inbound eastern european markets then it finally shows the airport is being used as designed - as an alternative London airport. That 10mppa no longer looks like pie in the sky. Stansted should be concerned as it will slow their growth rate for sure (and by that I mean Ryanair at STN).
The terminal will need to be considerably enlarged, though I understand planning permission exists for that, and airport parking will need a major upgrade, perhaps with provision of multi stories or park and ride.
Airside more stands will be required, possibly remote, therefore requiring coaching between a/c and the terminal.
But it's rather nice to think SEN has problems of success to deal with rather than the naysayers who have prophesied it's demise.
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From SEN point of view it would have been much better to leave Wizz unchallenged so they can get a foothold, make a profit and to expand their SEN operations. Might still happen but life has just got more complicated for them.
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So what is the story with the Derry route? Is this the existing PSO shifting over or something else? If the former it is something some of us have predicted but I didn’t know the contract was up for renewal.
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The contract was awarded on an emergency basis after the collapse on BMI Regional. This runs for 7 months so was up for renewal in September.
Aren't you all glad that Andrew Tinkler didn't get to re-unite the two groups, as he planned to do not so long ago?
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Confirmed that the Ldy route is moving from Stansted to Southend and it appears to be Loganair.
https://www.derryjournal.com/news/tr...hend-1-9046184
https://www.derryjournal.com/news/tr...hend-1-9046184
It's good to see SEN growing for all sorts if reasons, however before it even gets to 5mppa there will have to be major infrastructure improvements. Local road access is heavily congested now, the main London route, the A127, suffers badly at peak times too.
The terminal will need to be considerably enlarged, though I understand planning permission exists for that, and airport parking will need a major upgrade, perhaps with provision of multi stories or park and ride.
Airside more stands will be required, possibly remote, therefore requiring coaching between a/c and the terminal.
But it's rather nice to think SEN has problems of success to deal with rather than the naysayers who have prophesied it's demise.
The Department of Transport have confirmed that the route will transfer to SEN wef 27th October 2019 and, it says, operate 26 x weekly on Loganair E145s. I thought it was twice daily so maybe that's 26 sectors.