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Old 16th Jul 2019, 14:05
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
For the routes FR operate without competition CAA stats show loads are generally OK but some are better than others.
Bilbao is by far the worst at 90.9 average (48%). The mediocre ones are Dublin at 123.8 (65.5%), Brest at 125.5 (66.4%) and Copenhagen at 130.8 (69.2%). Everything else was between 77-85% full.

Looking at the load factors for the first two months of RYR ops at SEN I calculate the numbers being:
Bilbao 71% (I don't quite understand your 48% figure), Dublin 65%, Brest 73% and Copenhagen 73%.
The figures for other routes with no EZY competition were Corfu 82%, Reus 84%, Venice 81%, Bergamo (Milan) 79%, Kosice 79% and Cluj 84%
The 97% load factor quoted by Captain Caveman for June 2019 is based upon seats sold and not the pax numbers actually boarding flights.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 15:49
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking


Posted in another forum since the arrival of FR to SEN pax numbers have increased by nearly 60% in the second quarter. So the load factors appear to be healthy, however yield may be something else.
Yes but that doesn't mean that they are making money or couldn't make more money elsewhere with 1 of the aircraft say. It's good that SEN has got busier but airlines can be fickle beasts and also this being the first year many of the routes will be experiments.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 16:07
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
Bilbao 71% (I don't quite understand your 48% figure
OK I realise now it’s 4x weekly not 5. However I make it 61% load factor
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 16:09
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I would imagine the first dozen or so seats sold are equal to the cost of the last seat sold. Also the red line between profit and loss will be at the upper end of the number of seats sold with Ryanair.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 20:14
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Yes but that doesn't mean that they are making money or couldn't make more money elsewhere with 1 of the aircraft say. It's good that SEN has got busier but airlines can be fickle beasts and also this being the first year many of the routes will be experiments.
To have any sense of how well or otherwise FR are doing you would have to compare the figures from other new UK bases in their first full month of operation.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 20:28
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
To have any sense of how well or otherwise FR are doing you would have to compare the figures from other new UK bases in their first full month of operation.
It's a worry, I feel another sleepless night coming up.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 04:00
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
To have any sense of how well or otherwise FR are doing you would have to compare the figures from other new UK bases in their first full month of operation.
There are no other UK bases this year and I don't know when the last one was.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 06:08
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
There are no other UK bases this year and I don't know when the last one was.
That's the point. We simply don't know how to judge the early numbers coming from SEN, other than to say that some of the routes are clearly showing more promise than others.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 09:38
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Load factors
Ryanair publish the number of seats sold. The airport counts the number of passengers carried. The former will always be greater than the latter.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 09:47
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Ryanair publish the number of seats sold. The airport counts the number of passengers carried. The former will always be greater than the latter.
Does anybody have a feel for by how much? I would have thought not much, and the figures quoted above for the new SEN routes are significantly below the average system wide load factors regularly published by Ryanair
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 10:17
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Does anybody have a feel for by how much? I would have thought not much, and the figures quoted above for the new SEN routes are significantly below the average system wide load factors regularly published by Ryanair
Based on the few occasions I’ve been able to see the agent’s figures whilst boarding, its consistently been 10-15 people that haven’t checked in. So a fair few.

The figures broadly reflect my prediction of some time ago...I suggested the DUB route for example may struggle to fill the early outbound and late return based on previous experience of EZY with their BFS/EDI routes. That seems to be borne out here. Similarly CPH is low-ish overall and that too has late returns back into SEN. This happened with EZY when they moved the Berlin flight from daytime to late - factually loads fell and anecdotally the outbound was popular and the inbound less so. In fact the next few departures for CPH show sold out, but inbounds are available. I’m not sure why Bilbao is so low.

The anomaly is Cluj and Kosice which do well despite early departures, but another lesson from history shows EZY had very high loads with their early departure to Krakow. Routes that particularly cater to migrants don’t seem to depend on public transport access.

Hopefully new late trains will help alleviate these issues going forward.

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Old 17th Jul 2019, 16:02
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The reasons behind this have been spoken about recently.


https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/177...-flight-heavy/
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 16:43
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Was it not stated here a few days ago that no one was kicked off any flight due to the hot weather even though it was predicted?

Also should the passengers kicked off the flight in question be told the whole storey about runway length issues. Clearly the person in question has no idea why the flight was overweight and is blaming the airline.

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Old 17th Jul 2019, 19:18
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I suspect the courts would pin the responsibility for bumping pax on the airline. The flights were not cancelled (so clearly not a safety issue due to bad weather), the airline(s) knew the runway length and aircraft performance capability, and in summer one should expect it to be warm. I don't believe that summer 2019 in Southend has seen exceptionally high temperature for the time of year
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 20:52
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Actually on reflection it is the airlines fault.

Was it not stated here a few days ago that no one was kicked off any flight due to the hot weather even though it was predicted?
Clearly I have no idea what I am talking about as it was indeed confirmed a while back that folk were offloaded despite me claiming otherwise. Sorry
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 21:38
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Could also be an aircraft swap to blame, ie Neo to standard or A319. This has happened at other airports, if you search around Google there have been other “distraught” pax with “ruined holidays”
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 22:46
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
Could also be an aircraft swap to blame, ie Neo to standard or A319. This has happened at other airports, if you search around Google there have been other “distraught” pax with “ruined holidays”
No It was not an aircraft swap / downgrade.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 22:48
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
Could also be an aircraft swap to blame, ie Neo to standard or A319. This has happened at other airports, if you search around Google there have been other “distraught” pax with “ruined holidays”
we have discussed this to death already - the runway has limitations that means during summer ops payloads are restricted. Nothing to do with aircraft swaps or anything else. Anecdotal evidence shows EZY staff know about the summer ops operational issues and have a plan in place to deny check-in for the last 15 or so pax on affected flights. Can't prove it, it's just what I've heard. However historical data proves the point.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 04:43
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Fortunately for SEN 99.9% of the traveling public would not know this. Certainly it would put me off from making a booking if I knew I was going to have to spend months worry about a hot spell.
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Originally Posted by asdf1234
we have discussed this to death already - the runway has limitations that means during summer ops payloads are restricted. Nothing to do with aircraft swaps or anything else. .
A very misleading statement. Only a very small proportion of flights may need to be payload restricted. Take off weights are restricted but this is likely to
only translate into a payload restriction on the longer routes on the network. Short sectors like AMS, CDG and JER clearly should not be affected. It will also depend on the aircraft type planned for the flight. The runway performance of the A320 is superior to that of EZY's (relatively) low powered A319s. It is EZY's choice in terms commercial risk to continue to deploy their A319s on the more critical sectors such as FAO and AGP, though no doubt there are operational reasons such as rotational patterns why they do it.;. The need for this may well decline now that A320s form 50% of the SEN fleet. One might hope that the risk of tech stops or offloads will decrease accordingly..
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