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rog747. You seem to have knowledge and contacts. You appear to be a serious man and should be treated as such. But what you say regarding FR and SEN makes no sense.
No one from the Stobarti family has put a gun against MOL's head and said, "Either your signature or your brains will be on this contract." (The other way round would be more credible).
So if, for argument's sake, an FR 738SFP could only take 100 pax to Corfu, then rest assured there will only be one loser and it won't be the airline. That said, I hope both parties have concluded that the agreement will satisfy their respective requirements, providing that demand for the routes reaches expectations.
I trust your argument will now rest with the fishes.
No one from the Stobarti family has put a gun against MOL's head and said, "Either your signature or your brains will be on this contract." (The other way round would be more credible).
So if, for argument's sake, an FR 738SFP could only take 100 pax to Corfu, then rest assured there will only be one loser and it won't be the airline. That said, I hope both parties have concluded that the agreement will satisfy their respective requirements, providing that demand for the routes reaches expectations.
I trust your argument will now rest with the fishes.
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Generally yes but I’m sceptical as to them having more luck with the early run to DUB and late arrival back than EZY did with BFS & EDI without the train being available. I can’t see enough Essex folk using it to make it worthwhile.
Its fair to say there were a few times where my early flight to MAN had more pax than the Embraer to DUB.
Its fair to say there were a few times where my early flight to MAN had more pax than the Embraer to DUB.
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RYR will have done their sums- they operate quite a lot of sectors where the route is performance limited, blocking off seats. What conditions are talking about Rog 747 - a hot humid windless day? They have lots of airports in Europe where they have good deals on landing and handling and live and breathe short turnarounds ( penalties for handling agents if they fail) so can probably land and top up fuel in 20 minutes. They will as has been said if need be not offer the lowest fares- maybe they figure the silvers of South East Essex will still find slightly higher fares effective. And if it doesn't work they will give up the sector and either deploy the aircraft elsewhere from SEN or base it elsewhere- they are masters of churn with often little to lose ( deals with airports so good).
Anyway I thought that the major issue has been landing performance.
Anyway I thought that the major issue has been landing performance.
If the SOPs for a 'dry runway' can be applied, that includes a damp skid-resistant grooved runway, then there should be no landing weight problems. If the runway is declared WET or contaminated that would be very limiting in terms of landing weights. Obviously the work now being undertaken on resurfacing the runway is designed prevent that happening except rarely and temporarily.
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based Aircraft?
Out of interest, given the limits on the Runway at Southend , how many aicraft have, Ryanair based there .
I can't imagine they have a huge amount of 738's SFP capabilities.
I take it also from the above post that they are limited on weight even with that technology.
I thought years ago they had said they might look toward foreign built , Sub130 Seat aircraft .
Naturally the Sukhoi - used by Cityjet Eire
Or the VSeries now A220-100/300 Both able to be at max weight and land with only 1400 odd metres of Runway so I read .
Perhaps if Boeing and Airbus saw the advantage in having in their range an aircraft able to carry upto 130 pax on a short Runway .( C-Series , by Airbus )
And the exellent Embraer E Jets , especially the new E2 etc ( better engines , braking and electronics ).
So if the manufacturers see this , why can't the likes of Ryanair.
It would open up more routes to smaller airports , that would have the demand , but are limited by runway .
Eg they if had say the A220 could operate from LCY.
I can't imagine they have a huge amount of 738's SFP capabilities.
I take it also from the above post that they are limited on weight even with that technology.
I thought years ago they had said they might look toward foreign built , Sub130 Seat aircraft .
Naturally the Sukhoi - used by Cityjet Eire
Or the VSeries now A220-100/300 Both able to be at max weight and land with only 1400 odd metres of Runway so I read .
Perhaps if Boeing and Airbus saw the advantage in having in their range an aircraft able to carry upto 130 pax on a short Runway .( C-Series , by Airbus )
And the exellent Embraer E Jets , especially the new E2 etc ( better engines , braking and electronics ).
So if the manufacturers see this , why can't the likes of Ryanair.
It would open up more routes to smaller airports , that would have the demand , but are limited by runway .
Eg they if had say the A220 could operate from LCY.
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RYR economics
I think it is very likely that the financial incentive offered by the airport to RYR to attract them to Southend will go a long way to mitigating any reduced loads .This allows the operator to test fares and loads within the medium term to assess the the long-term viability of the base. I can't remember the actual numbers but the airport quoted a figure in the 10's of millions for new route development in either the annual report or in one of the half-yearly updates .
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A few years ago I flew Ryanair’s Blackpool Stansted service. Several front rows of seats were taped off like a crime scene despite the short hop and Blackpool’s 6000ft runway.
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I believe hold luggage was front hold loaded hence why front rows were taped off if loads were below full. Nothing to do with payload restrictions.
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Back in the days when Ryanair operated to BLK they also operated a free seating policy (get on and sit where you like). As is mentioned above it was due to weight and balance. If a flight wasn’t due to be full there were specific rows that would be taped off so as they wouldn’t be occupied. These restrictions applied to any flight, not specific to BLK.
I believe hold luggage was front hold loaded hence why front rows were taped off if loads were below full. Nothing to do with payload restrictions.
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In these days of pre allocated seats the police tape has gone but I wonder how many of these seats still get occupied. I for one have changed seats once the doors have been closed.
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Those front rows are generally all booked by pax who feel paying the premium seat choice additional cost is worth the expense if it means expedited disembark is a focus for those pax. Particularly handy if traveling with no checked luggage or cabin bags, just passport and boarding pass on the app. I've only seen maybe 2 or 3 front row seats unoccupied on FR flights, they generally have a strong appeal to some pax, so clearly the surcharge isn't a barrier to filling these seats.
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I can’t see anything for SEN - though in the event Ryanair do a runner it might expedite a basing of additional aircraft and the return of Belfast and Edinburgh (which we assume were prohibited) with more suitable aircraft.
