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Old 24th Aug 2018, 12:21
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People here rejoice at Southend’s popularity and rightly so but wish for the airport to be heaving like its London rivals. Be careful what you wish for, I will always be in the minority of one but in my eyes I would gladly give you a million Luton passengers.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 12:38
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Originally Posted by LTNman
People here rejoice at Southend’s popularity and rightly so but wish for the airport to be heaving like its London rivals. Be careful what you wish for, I will always be in the minority of one but in my eyes I would gladly give you a million Luton passengers.
With FR setting up at SEN next year it may well get another million pax, but then I have a feeling SEN's popularity may begin to drop.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 14:48
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Flybe/Stobart flights delayed again today. Milan announced 3 and a half hours delay. Should be 1610. Now due 1930.

Good old Stobart!!!
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 15:20
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Originally Posted by claron
Flybe/Stobart flights delayed again today. Milan announced 3 and a half hours delay. Should be 1610. Now due 1930.

Good old Stobart!!!
Consistency, old boy. It's all about consistency, and when I think FLYBE or Stobart I immediately associate both brands with consistent poor reliability and totally undependeble. I can't trust either brand to deliver services. Steer clear of both brands.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 15:25
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Most disgruntled this morning were the Air Malta pax. But it demonstrated to me that the terminal remains very comfortable with current numbers. As for me? 8 minutes late on EZY I can live with!

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Old 28th Aug 2018, 17:20
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Apologies if already discussed but are Stobart/Flybe ending their 5 year franchise agreement due to expire in March 2019 as it seems most destinations on the BE website are either not available or priced sky high at any point between November '18 and March '19?
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 17:56
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Originally Posted by stewyb
Apologies if already discussed but are Stobart/Flybe ending their 5 year franchise agreement due to expire in March 2019 as it seems most destinations on the BE website are either not available or priced sky high at any point between November '18 and March '19?
Already been highlighted and looking increasingly likely. To recap Glasgow and Milan appear to finish at the end of October with Manchester, Budapest, Prague and Vienna ceasing in January. Caen is stopping for Jan and early Feb. All other routes except Rennes have had services deleted particularly midweek. All of these were previously on sale for the whole winter. Dubrovnik and Zadar are of course seasonal anyway. Rennes has partially shifted to an E195, the only route to see any increase.

The slightly odd things are that Glasgow, Manchester and Milan remain in the timetable but say full when trying to book whereas Budapest, Prague and Vienna are formally removed on both. It’s also odd that Manchester would carry on until New Year rather than stopping at the end of summer.
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 18:01
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As you say all rather odd but presumably clarity will emerge before too long. Caen normally takes a break in January and February so nothing unusual in that.
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 20:46
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With Cityjet's recent announcement the pot seems to have been well and truly stirred, given that some here expressed the view that we could possibly see an extension of the Aer Lingus / Stobart deal involving SEN. But for me, even if there is (as seems most likely) a reduction in Stobart services, with FR coming and the long awaited 4th EZY here they've had some success given the accepted reasons behind the dramatic expansion of the Flybe franchise. Maybe the fact that it was time limited was useful to say the least.
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 20:51
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
With Cityjet's recent announcement the pot seems to have been well and truly stirred, given that some here expressed the view that we could possibly see an extension of the Aer Lingus / Stobart deal involving SEN. But for me, even if there is (as seems most likely) a reduction in Stobart services, with FR coming and the long awaited 4th EZY here they've had some success given the accepted reasons behind the dramatic expansion of the Flybe franchise. Maybe the fact that it was time limited was useful to say the least.
Wasn't the whole point of Stobart operating those routes with their own aircraft to attract the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair? Surely now it's job done for them? Question now is what will they do with the aircraft?
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 20:58
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Too many things lining up as I've mentioned before;

- namely arrival of Ryanair @ SEN
- end of the IOM ops for Flybe
- contract expiry for Flybe contract

now the time is right to transition to an ACMI operation...?
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 21:12
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Wasn't the whole point of Stobart operating those routes with their own aircraft to attract the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair? Surely now it's job done for them? Question now is what will they do with the aircraft?
Indeed it was and fair play they certainly moved things forward for the airport. For me the real question is are they (Stobart Air) in control of their own destiny?
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 22:01
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
Indeed it was and fair play they certainly moved things forward for the airport. For me the real question is are they (Stobart Air) in control of their own destiny?
Another question is what happens to the more niche ATR routes unsuited to larger capacity aircraft which seem to tick along quite nicely
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 05:45
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Confirmation from the Irish Independent....

Stobart Air pulling 2 EMB190`s from SEN.

Services to Malpensa,Venice,Budapest & Prague will cease.

The 3rd EMB 190 will continue on the SEN/DUB,eventually coming up against RYR.

It is thought the removed `190s will be redeployed with announcements as to where expected in the next few weeks.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 06:38
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
Confirmation from the Irish Independent....

Stobart Air pulling 2 EMB190`s from SEN.

Services to Malpensa,Venice,Budapest & Prague will cease.

The 3rd EMB 190 will continue on the SEN/DUB,eventually coming up against RYR.

It is thought the removed `190s will be redeployed with announcements as to where expected in the next few weeks.
Redeployed!
I feel sorry for the pax who will end up getting these jinxed airframes. Having reviewed FlightRadar24 logs, there are a lot of red and amber dots pinned against these airframes signifying their delay and cancellation history, some due to the wx but most due to tech issues.
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 19:15
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Antwerp route increased to 6x weekly (no Saturday flight) following VLM’s demise.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 16:21
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Responsible Growth. Not sure what it means, but it sounds good.

Glyn Jones: Future Southend Airport expansion 'will be responsible' | Echo
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 18:41
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
Responsible Growth. Not sure what it means, but it sounds good.

Glyn Jones: Future Southend Airport expansion 'will be responsible' Echo
They sold their soul to Ryanair and now they have to make a viable return by switching the business model to long term, sustainable growth!

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Old 6th Sep 2018, 06:43
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
Responsible Growth. Not sure what it means, but it sounds good.

Glyn Jones: Future Southend Airport expansion 'will be responsible' Echo
Maybe they are pitching the comment to speak to the airports neighbours and local community. I can imagine inhabitants within the vicinity, especially those on the centre line approaches may be concerned at increased traffic movements and perhaps any future efforts to amendment the operation hours through a new planning application to the planning authority.

Also, responsible growth could equally mean sustainable growth with partnerships. Fantastic news they've attracted Europe's largest low cost airline, master stroke (commercially speaking) but it comes with an almost 'buyer beware health warning. Ryanair is a dominant participant to the agreement, meaning the tail will wag the dog, and SEN management will acknowledge those risks. Ryanair have nomadic tendencies, if the KPI's don't deliver, they ruthlessly defend their growth strategies and SEN should or will know that is a significant business risk and I'd imagine SEN management will have measures in place to ensure Ryanair remain a good partner and a responsible citizen in the context of the local community and neighbours close by the airport.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 07:53
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The only thing that Ryanair is concerned about is Ryanair, you only have to look at its record over many years.
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