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Old 13th Jun 2018, 13:47
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Interesting decision by the Stobart team again!
How many times have you heard ď Iím Not flying Ryanair again!Ē.Your 1m footfall might even drop by several thousand as people move with Easyjet if they decide to leave!!
Pax reduction on Stobart flights ( loss of income )
An airport deal by Ryanair (There will be something free in it: Landing Fees,Handling, Over night parking!.)
Winner? Or Loser?i
I know where my money lays.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 13:53
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EasyJet signed a ten year deal in 2011, starting a base in 2012 so that will take them to 2021.
(i am not aware if any of that has changed during the contract) so think it unlikely much will change short term.
Personally I think the talk of a Wizz base would have been a better fit for SEN with minimal overlapping of routes.
Good news for SEN now, only time will tell what happens in the mid term
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 14:02
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The Stobart statement says
Quote:This five-year agreement, extendable to ten, and agreed on our standard commercial terms...
That seems full of bull, more likely that SEN is paying Ryanair as they hope to get their money back on car parking etc.

It will be interesting to see how SEN rates in the Which passenger survey as passenger numbers increase? No more number one I am guessing not that it will bother Stobart.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 15:45
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
That seems full of bull, more likely that SEN is paying Ryanair as they hope to get their money back on car parking etc.

It will be interesting to see how SEN rates in the Which passenger survey as passenger numbers increase? No more number one I am guessing not that it will bother Stobart.
Not 'well done SEN'! Just : We can't wait until you come down to LTN's level. You may be be proved right in the long term, however it would be good to hear a bit of American ' go for it' and good luck. But then this is Britain!
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 16:00
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This is a game changer for SEN. Where else were they going to get 1m passengers a year from? Look like the scarcity of slots in the London system paid dividends sooner than we might have thought.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 16:05
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It is absolutely a game changer for SEN. So what is Southend's existing capacity?
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 16:18
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Capacity

With the existing cap on ATMs I think the airport is constrained by a capacity of circa 10m pax. As the new FR deal is projected to increase pax numbers to 5m I can see no capacity issues. Yes the terminal might get crowded and pax might not rate their experience as highly as they do now, but that won't affect the number of pax using SEN. If the flights are there at the right price, the pax will come. After all, just look at Luton, a miserable pax experience but fully utilised by 18m pax.

Hats off to SEN for attracting FR. Fingers crossed it works out for the airport and the wider Group who absolutely need the Aviation division to stop being a drain on Group funds.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 16:19
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The Short Field Package would be essential for 738 operations into SEN. The SFP is optional on the -800 but apparently standard on the Max. Wetlanding, do you have any further information about FR acquisition of 800SFPs, how many, and when ?
My (very) approximate estimate (trying to work with published data) is that the 800SFP would offer similar full payload range possibilities out of SEN to an A320.
Landing performance has always been the problem with the -800 at SEN. The SFP appears to address this issue, though the treatment of wet runway data might still be a consideration - hence perhaps recent comments about grooving the SEN runway ?

It's often been said that 738s are a no-go at SEN for year-round profitable operation. Surely they are more likely to be using their new purchases from Laudamotion?:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-l...-idUSKBN1GY2KF
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 16:52
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Often said but not necessarily completely accurate. There is a significant difference in the runway performance of the SFP compared with the "standard" 738. The majority of European 738s are the standard model, certainly in the case of the UK operators - I suspect there may be few SFPs in Europe so people may have tended to discount this possibility.

But you may be right about the A320. It was the report that FR had recently acquired SFPs that grabbed my attention.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 17:19
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Am I correct in thnking that Southend is not CATIIIB equipped. Although the airport has a pretty good weather record there are times when it is not like all other airports. Diversions to any airport's which will take them and not noise restrained.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 17:20
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Fair play to SEN and Stobart, really good news for jobs, the local economy and the airport.

Really interesting mix of routes. Bilbao, Brest, Cluj and Kosice not served anywhere else on the Ryanair network, while Venice (main) is not served from STN.

Alicante, Faro, Malaga and Palma competition is good news, I've always said the prices on the sun routes out of SEN are mad high. Corfu will do well, too.

Can't really see this affecting EZY too much, the overlap in routes are only on the key money spinner sun routes. I can imagine the end is in sight of the BE MXP and DUB though.

The airport really need to invest in better shopping and even more so on eating within the terminal in my opinion to generate income from the increase pax.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 17:43
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The airport really need to invest in better shopping and even more so on eating within the terminal in my opinion to generate income from the increase pax.
New restaurants and bars heading to airport | Echo

It's all in hand. Hopefully, the extensions either side of the terminal will now go ahead.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 17:53
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Originally Posted by asdf1234 View Post
With the existing cap on ATMs I think the airport is constrained by a capacity of circa 10m pax. As the new FR deal is projected to increase pax numbers to 5m I can see no capacity issues. Yes the terminal might get crowded and pax might not rate their experience as highly as they do now, but that won't affect the number of pax using SEN. If the flights are there at the right price, the pax will come. After all, just look at Luton, a miserable pax experience but fully utilised by 18m pax.
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So is that what everyone here wants. Just pile them in and mimic Luton with a race to the bottom, has no one heard of a balance? How will the local roads cope? It has always struck me that the airport is in the middle of a built up area so the locals can look forward to gridlocked streets. Has SEN got room for a parallel taxiway?

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Old 13th Jun 2018, 18:08
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So ex Ryanair employee and Stobart boss Warwick Brady stuffs one up his previous employer (EZY) from whom he got the boot!

Feeling smug no doubt.......
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 18:18
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
So is that what everyone here wants. Just pile them in and mimic Luton with a race to the bottom, has no one heard of a balance? How will the local roads cope? It has always struck me that the airport is in the middle of a built up area so the locals can look forward to gridlocked streets.
As I posted earlier to another one of your comments. You may well be right, however for once look on the bright side. I know it's not your beloved LTN, nor will it ever be because SEN does not have the local infrastructure or capacity, but I do hope that Stobart/ Southend Corporation will realise that and take the necessary choices long before they allow it to turn into the third world shambles reported about LTN on numerous aviation and travel forums.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 18:19
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Brilliant news for Southend and one can only hope Stobart do make some money out of the operation as the incentives to Ryanair would have been large. Maybe that is the background to the boardroom arguments?
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 21:41
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To suggest there is overlap between Reus and Barcelona is disingenuous, the amount of people using the former for the latter will be very small and especially at 2x weekly. Really of course it is for the Costa Dorada, and should do somewhat better than Stobartís attempt last year. Similarly for Brest and Rennes - far too far apart and the frequency (7-8x weekly v 2x weekly) doesnít compare.

Dublin is quite clear cut, itís unthinkable that Stobart would retain it. Milan less so - Malpensa and Bergamo are quite some distance apart plus the former is convenient for Como whereas the latter is close to Iseo and Garda. Prague is staying for now despite EZY coming onto it.

I do wonder what will happen to the 3rd Stobart E195 when DUB is given up as I expect it to be. There are limited alternatives from SEN other than perhaps EDI if they can get permission to do it. Perhaps send it up to Carlisle to do some sunshine routes?
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 01:29
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Surely FR and BE/STK serve a different market for DUB. ?

i can see STK continue to operate the route alongside FR due to the BE/EI codeshare/interline agreement


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Old 14th Jun 2018, 06:03
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ezpress flight, you are unusually quiet on this development. You OK ? 😀
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 06:52
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ezpress flight, you are unusually quiet on this development. You OK ? 😀
Maybe he's on holiday on a remote beach with no free WiFi.
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