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They need to link up with one of the big boy FBOs, going it alone is going to be costly in all the noise, wine & dine a few freelance publishers is not going to do much other than look good for the shareholders short term.
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Many others have said much the same. But ploughing their own furrow seems to be the Stobart way. It's interesting that in ancient Cumbrian dialect 'stobart' is an adjective that translates precisely to stubborn.
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And in the Harry Potter films 'Dementors are doom laden sucking the light and energy out of life. some of our regular posters seem to wish that on SEN. In the US posters would be saying ..go for it, try it and if you crash and burn at least you have tried. But not here. Here it' s we can't wait to see you fail. What a lack of aspiration and imagination.
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Exactly how have I caused such offence? Without Stobart doing their own thing, there probably wouldn't be an airport at Southend to talk about. I've lost count of times I've said this.
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Couldn't agree more. Without Stobart would there be 28 departures/28 arrivals today? I think not!!
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It’s with sincere regret that we must advise you that the opening of Carlisle Lake District Airport has been delayed by unforeseen circumstances. A major project to launch air services from a new airport relies not only on the airport’s infrastructure being complete but also a full complement of essential operating staff being in place. Regrettably, changing circumstances around the airport’s staffing means that this cannot be completed in time to receive scheduled flights as planned on 4 June, despite every effort made by the airport and the Stobart Group.
Stobart Group will continue to work with all stakeholders, including the Civil Aviation Authority. All parties are confident that the revised 3 September commencement date is both practical and achievable.
Stobart Group will continue to work with all stakeholders, including the Civil Aviation Authority. All parties are confident that the revised 3 September commencement date is both practical and achievable.
- In the meantime, we are offering customers booked on flights the following options:
- Rebook onto an alternative flight for travel from 03 September. Retrieve your booking via the Manage My Booking functionality on loganair.co.uk and select alternative flights.
- A refund back to your payment card. A refund will automatically be processed if we don’t hear from you by the 18th June. Alternatively, email [email protected], and we’ll process the refund within 5-7 working days
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SEN/compton............Nothing to do with EGNC/EGMC/Stobart/Loganair. The U.K./Global ATCO shortage has been fast-approaching for about 20 years....And then some.
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You can't recruit and train staff if they're simply not out there SW.
It takes about 3 years of study to train as an ATCO, and it's actually harder than doing a science degree.
It takes about 3 years of study to train as an ATCO, and it's actually harder than doing a science degree.
And Stobart discover this a week before they open their new airport? The law of Supply and Demand came quite early in my Economics O level...
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The same could have happened with East Midlands back in the '60s.....But, fortunately it didn't.
I did Economics 'O' Level too....But however great the demand, if the supply just isn't there, the demand cannot be fulfilled. Perhaps we should have invested more training ATCOs, rather than PCSOs, Traffic Wardens, Sports Commentators, Civil Enforcement Officers, Hospital Bed Managers, Career Politicians, Outreach Co-Ordinators, Carbon Solutions Co-Ordinators, Talent Acquisition Managers...etc.
I did Economics 'O' Level too....But however great the demand, if the supply just isn't there, the demand cannot be fulfilled. Perhaps we should have invested more training ATCOs, rather than PCSOs, Traffic Wardens, Sports Commentators, Civil Enforcement Officers, Hospital Bed Managers, Career Politicians, Outreach Co-Ordinators, Carbon Solutions Co-Ordinators, Talent Acquisition Managers...etc.
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I don't know SW.........I don't work for them.
Ring them up and ask them tomorrow.
Don't forget that the Swanwick ATC Facility was about 5 years late.
EGLL's third R/W hasn't even been started yet, in spite of Sir Howard Davies' report, completed almost 4 years ago.
Oh, and the A6MARR .......
Ring them up and ask them tomorrow.
Don't forget that the Swanwick ATC Facility was about 5 years late.
EGLL's third R/W hasn't even been started yet, in spite of Sir Howard Davies' report, completed almost 4 years ago.
Oh, and the A6MARR .......
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Not necessarily LTNman. The U.K. has a 'fragmented' ATC system, most ATCOs work for NATS/RAF, but many others are employed by 'Non-State' ANSPs, of which EGNC is one, along with EGNM, EGNX, EGKK, EGBB, EGNT etc.
There is no such thing as "an apprentice" in ATC.
You need to have undergone a CAA medical, basic training course, and then further courses on Aerodrome Control, and Approach Control. That's about 30 weeks in total.
THEN, you can start training at Carlisle....That could be another 20 weeks before you can do it on your own.
Even if you came to Cumbria from Heathrow, you can't just sit down on day 1, plug in and do the job, unsupervised.
There is no such thing as "an apprentice" in ATC.
You need to have undergone a CAA medical, basic training course, and then further courses on Aerodrome Control, and Approach Control. That's about 30 weeks in total.
THEN, you can start training at Carlisle....That could be another 20 weeks before you can do it on your own.
Even if you came to Cumbria from Heathrow, you can't just sit down on day 1, plug in and do the job, unsupervised.
If all they do is groove the runway the closure period will be much less than a full resurfacing/grooving would require. All this is speculation at present so may come to nothing anyway.
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Is there any spare staff capacity at EGMC? If so could Stobart Airports compulsory-post people to EGNC, similar to the the way NATS ATCOs are a 'mobile-grade'?.......Or even some form of detatched-duty'?
Assuming EGNC doesn't manage to recruit the necessary staff.
Assuming EGNC doesn't manage to recruit the necessary staff.
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