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Old 14th Sep 2020, 16:06
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Stobart would be foolish to lose JOTA. They are in the one area of commercial aviation that is holding its own, or even expanding.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 09:22
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was today's Ukraine International flight the start of a new schedule?
WideWideroe seem to have stopped flying after a few weeks
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 09:57
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was today's Ukraine International flight the start of a new schedule?
WideWideroe seem to have stopped flying after a few weeks
It was reported above that Wideroe were stopping flights. There's not much point in them when Norway doesn't let people in very easily at the moment. Supposed to return in March 2021.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 10:07
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The Ukraine International E195 flight was a charter for a ship's crew change. They have operated into SEN before for the same reason.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 17:03
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Reassuring perhaps to note that more than a Pier Southend-on-Sea has a relationship with the nautical industry too))
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 19:13
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Reassuring perhaps to note that more than a Pier Southend-on-Sea has a relationship with the nautical industry too))
Indeed. And a mile or so to the east of the terminal, buried in the mud of the River Roach, lies what remains of HMS Beagle. Charles Darwin taught us that being adaptable vastly increases your chances of survival. For example, a small flexible airport would be in prime position to take advantage of possibly vastly reduced numbers of those able to afford a flight to the continent.

Covid, global warming and a huge chasm between the haves and have nots could conspire to wipe out the opportunity for the masses to fly vast distances for less than the cost of a pub lunch.

Perhaps huge airports would would not be able adapt to an elite requiring fewer than 30 departures a day.

Remember when there wasnít enough to go round for the dinosaurs.......
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 20:01
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DC3 - I'm not sure I follow your argument. You seem to be saying that you believe the number of people flying is likely to reduce significantly, at least in the short term. You seem to also say that being adaptable is also a good thing as it allows one to survive better when circumstances change
It seems highly likely that other airports in the south east of the UK will also be willing to change their business model given a significant reduction of pax flights

Why would Southend have an advantage over these other airports ? AFAIK, Southend doesn't have a significant cargo capacity of which it can make greater use. It seems unlikely that PPL numbers in Essex will grow significantly. Southend doesn't have a suitable climate for aircraft storage. I doubt that SEN will become a major airline engineering base. Military/emergency services use of SEN seems unlikely to grow. Anyone heading to London in a private jet presumably has their eye on London City

Southend in the last few years has functioned pretty much as London's overflow airport - seeing growth because London's 5 other larger pax airports were pretty full (at least at peak times) and SEN could also offer pax a more pleasant experience.
How does being SEN being adaptable give it any particular advantages or sizeable niches which other airports won't also be targetting ? I just can't see Felixstowe, Tilbury and their ilk having a big increase in the need for air charters
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 21:42
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I get Daveís rationale - itís the same principle as Aldi, Iceland, Lidl prospering over the last few years because they were more nimble with their smaller ranges and stores than the ĎBig 4í who were lumbered with huge volumes of floorspace that was no longer wanted or needed. But in this case his application is flawed as he is looking at it one dimensionally.

The big thing he misses is location - if we assume runway length isnít such an issue Luton is also quite small but has stronger existing non-passenger activities and is geographically better located as itís reach is wider.

The other is how practically such a scenario would play out - in reality the giants of Gatwick, Heathrow and Stansted would collapse. This would allow a new more nimble owner to take them on at a discount, turn whatís not needed into housing and retain a single long runway and terminal for the 30 flights.


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Old 16th Sep 2020, 21:47
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Ah well for Stobart to finally finally succeed in the Masterplan a general national & societal collapse is then obviously required .

WAIT....Oooops Oh dear they could well be right... Devilish.

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Old 16th Sep 2020, 22:15
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Dave may well be the Nu Nu Age Guru...

Just require the Carvairs & Super Freighters back on the ramp to fly the only & remaining monied pax with their Daimlers & Jaguars to the Continent and.......Complete)).
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 06:13
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
Anyone heading to London in a private jet presumably has their eye on London City
Ahem ... London-Biggin Hill, the specialist private jet airport of London!
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 06:15
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Ah well for Stobart to finally finally succeed in the Masterplan a general national & societal collapse is then obviously required .
Well at least theyíre prepared to lead by example.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 06:43
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By getting in first and having a crisis and collapse before everybody else?

And the way I read DC3 Dave's original post was that if demand falls significantly, small airports with their lower overall cost base would have an advantage - bigger airports would be spreading their higher fixed costs over a smaller number of customers, so would lose their economy of scale advantage.

And no, I don't remember the dinosaurs!
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 07:18
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
By getting in first and having a crisis and collapse before everybody else?

And the way I read DC3 Dave's original post was that if demand falls significantly, small airports with their lower overall cost base would have an advantage - bigger airports would be spreading their higher fixed costs over a smaller number of customers, so would lose their economy of scale advantage.

And no, I don't remember the dinosaurs!
But the bigger airports generally have a financial infrastructure backing them to support a prolonged downturn in revenue!
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 08:04
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In the absence of significant interchange traffic it may also be a matter of catchment area. Many airports have a 360degree catchment area. Many coastal airports have a 270 degree market, whilst SEN has, at best, a 200 degree market place.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 08:36
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This is happening...

The Co-op (local supermarkets) reporting sharp increase in sales/revenue due to smaller/ locality shopping.

More persuasion perhaps toward that Masterplan.

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Old 17th Sep 2020, 08:45
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Ah Dinosaurs...

Pterodactyls and all.......
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 09:44
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Originally Posted by bricquebec View Post
In the absence of significant interchange traffic it may also be a matter of catchment area. Many airports have a 360degree catchment area. Many coastal airports have a 270 degree market, whilst SEN has, at best, a 200 degree market place.
Again, far too simplistic. Ciudad Real has a 360 degree catchment. Barcelona has about a 160 degree catchment....
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 09:50
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You can always find exceptions to a rule.... but having a 200 degree catchment instead of a 360 degree catchment tends to decrease passenger numbers.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 10:03
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
You can always find exceptions to a rule.... but having a 200 degree catchment instead of a 360 degree catchment tends to decrease passenger numbers.
I'd suggest less than 200, more like 90, from the A13 to joining the road to Chelmsford/Colchester (indeed STN) at the Battlesbridge roundabout with the A127 somewhere inbetween
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