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It was reported above that Wideroe were stopping flights. There's not much point in them when Norway doesn't let people in very easily at the moment. Supposed to return in March 2021.
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Covid, global warming and a huge chasm between the haves and have nots could conspire to wipe out the opportunity for the masses to fly vast distances for less than the cost of a pub lunch.
Perhaps huge airports would would not be able adapt to an elite requiring fewer than 30 departures a day.
Remember when there wasn’t enough to go round for the dinosaurs.......
DC3 - I'm not sure I follow your argument. You seem to be saying that you believe the number of people flying is likely to reduce significantly, at least in the short term. You seem to also say that being adaptable is also a good thing as it allows one to survive better when circumstances change
It seems highly likely that other airports in the south east of the UK will also be willing to change their business model given a significant reduction of pax flights
Why would Southend have an advantage over these other airports ? AFAIK, Southend doesn't have a significant cargo capacity of which it can make greater use. It seems unlikely that PPL numbers in Essex will grow significantly. Southend doesn't have a suitable climate for aircraft storage. I doubt that SEN will become a major airline engineering base. Military/emergency services use of SEN seems unlikely to grow. Anyone heading to London in a private jet presumably has their eye on London City
Southend in the last few years has functioned pretty much as London's overflow airport - seeing growth because London's 5 other larger pax airports were pretty full (at least at peak times) and SEN could also offer pax a more pleasant experience.
How does being SEN being adaptable give it any particular advantages or sizeable niches which other airports won't also be targetting ? I just can't see Felixstowe, Tilbury and their ilk having a big increase in the need for air charters
It seems highly likely that other airports in the south east of the UK will also be willing to change their business model given a significant reduction of pax flights
Why would Southend have an advantage over these other airports ? AFAIK, Southend doesn't have a significant cargo capacity of which it can make greater use. It seems unlikely that PPL numbers in Essex will grow significantly. Southend doesn't have a suitable climate for aircraft storage. I doubt that SEN will become a major airline engineering base. Military/emergency services use of SEN seems unlikely to grow. Anyone heading to London in a private jet presumably has their eye on London City
Southend in the last few years has functioned pretty much as London's overflow airport - seeing growth because London's 5 other larger pax airports were pretty full (at least at peak times) and SEN could also offer pax a more pleasant experience.
How does being SEN being adaptable give it any particular advantages or sizeable niches which other airports won't also be targetting ? I just can't see Felixstowe, Tilbury and their ilk having a big increase in the need for air charters
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I get Dave’s rationale - it’s the same principle as Aldi, Iceland, Lidl prospering over the last few years because they were more nimble with their smaller ranges and stores than the ‘Big 4’ who were lumbered with huge volumes of floorspace that was no longer wanted or needed. But in this case his application is flawed as he is looking at it one dimensionally.
The big thing he misses is location - if we assume runway length isn’t such an issue Luton is also quite small but has stronger existing non-passenger activities and is geographically better located as it’s reach is wider.
The other is how practically such a scenario would play out - in reality the giants of Gatwick, Heathrow and Stansted would collapse. This would allow a new more nimble owner to take them on at a discount, turn what’s not needed into housing and retain a single long runway and terminal for the 30 flights.
The big thing he misses is location - if we assume runway length isn’t such an issue Luton is also quite small but has stronger existing non-passenger activities and is geographically better located as it’s reach is wider.
The other is how practically such a scenario would play out - in reality the giants of Gatwick, Heathrow and Stansted would collapse. This would allow a new more nimble owner to take them on at a discount, turn what’s not needed into housing and retain a single long runway and terminal for the 30 flights.
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Ah well for Stobart to finally finally succeed in the Masterplan a general national & societal collapse is then obviously required .
WAIT....Oooops Oh dear they could well be right... Devilish.
WAIT....Oooops Oh dear they could well be right... Devilish.
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Dave may well be the Nu Nu Age Guru...
Just require the Carvairs & Super Freighters back on the ramp to fly the only & remaining monied pax with their Daimlers & Jaguars to the Continent and.......Complete)).
Just require the Carvairs & Super Freighters back on the ramp to fly the only & remaining monied pax with their Daimlers & Jaguars to the Continent and.......Complete)).
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By getting in first and having a crisis and collapse before everybody else? 
And the way I read DC3 Dave's original post was that if demand falls significantly, small airports with their lower overall cost base would have an advantage - bigger airports would be spreading their higher fixed costs over a smaller number of customers, so would lose their economy of scale advantage.
And no, I don't remember the dinosaurs!
And the way I read DC3 Dave's original post was that if demand falls significantly, small airports with their lower overall cost base would have an advantage - bigger airports would be spreading their higher fixed costs over a smaller number of customers, so would lose their economy of scale advantage.
And no, I don't remember the dinosaurs!
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By getting in first and having a crisis and collapse before everybody else?
And the way I read DC3 Dave's original post was that if demand falls significantly, small airports with their lower overall cost base would have an advantage - bigger airports would be spreading their higher fixed costs over a smaller number of customers, so would lose their economy of scale advantage.
And no, I don't remember the dinosaurs!
And the way I read DC3 Dave's original post was that if demand falls significantly, small airports with their lower overall cost base would have an advantage - bigger airports would be spreading their higher fixed costs over a smaller number of customers, so would lose their economy of scale advantage.
And no, I don't remember the dinosaurs!
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In the absence of significant interchange traffic it may also be a matter of catchment area. Many airports have a 360degree catchment area. Many coastal airports have a 270 degree market, whilst SEN has, at best, a 200 degree market place.
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This is happening...
The Co-op (local supermarkets) reporting sharp increase in sales/revenue due to smaller/ locality shopping.
More persuasion perhaps toward that Masterplan.
The Co-op (local supermarkets) reporting sharp increase in sales/revenue due to smaller/ locality shopping.
More persuasion perhaps toward that Masterplan.
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Again, far too simplistic. Ciudad Real has a 360 degree catchment. Barcelona has about a 160 degree catchment....
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I'd suggest less than 200, more like 90, from the A13 to joining the road to Chelmsford/Colchester (indeed STN) at the Battlesbridge roundabout with the A127 somewhere inbetween